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stratagakis - May 8, 2008 03:27 PM (GMT)
To Nisi tis Amartias: I watched this movie recently, under the title Piacere Carnale. It was the Italian dub version, and generally, to my memory, the same as the Greek version I watched a couple years ago. Except, I don't remember the Greek version having the same Opening Title Sequence as the Italian version, which is basically a montage made up of several short sequences throughout the film. But, when inspecting very closely, I stumbled upon a couple scenes containing explicit stuff. They're very quick, and you have to rewind it a couple times to see, but its there. One scene is penetration. The other scene is hand job/grabbing of penis. Now, like some Greek Exploitation films I've seen in the past that throw in really bad hardcore inserts, I'm pretty sure these were not inserts. They looked like they were from the film, and although you couldn't see the actresses face in either scene, I'm pretty sure it was Lia Flessa. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but Lia Flessa plays the woman who gets raped by George Stratagakis on the beach near the end of the movie. And, if memory serves me correct, Lia Flessa plays the jealous girlfriend of Yiorgos Mihalakis in Vromiki Parthena, which, in one version I saw, had brief hardcore. But, I'm not sure as to whether they were staged by doubles, or the real actors. Its so hard to tell with so many of these films. Like Magda Makri and Tony Giftopolous in Zo Gia ton Erota, I'm not quite sure if these actors did or did not partake in hardcore. I would love to know just how many versions were shot in alot of these movies. I can even recall seeing something like penetration in Ta Eidola, which is a very powerful film by Efstratiadis. Anyway, I'm rambling here. If anyone has anything to add to this; perhaps some other examples of brief hardcore/explicit sex in other 70's Greek Exploitation then feel free to ramble.

Skatschko: Is there actual hardcore footage of Maria Konsta in Erotiki Teleti? The version I watched a couple years ago was the Dutch hardcore version "The Ceremony", but the scenes with her looked doubled. I heard that Itan Kapote Parteneres is the fullest, most explicit version.

Cheers ... Stratagakis

A.N. - May 8, 2008 04:06 PM (GMT)

skatschko - May 8, 2008 04:10 PM (GMT)
Too many issues raised...... :o

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stratagakis Posted on May 8 2008, 03:27 PM
To Nisi tis Amartias: I watched this movie recently, under the title Piacere Carnale. It was the Italian dub version, and generally, to my memory, the same as the Greek version I watched a couple years ago. Except, I don't remember the Greek version having the same Opening Title Sequence as the Italian version, which is basically a montage made up of several short sequences throughout the film. But, when inspecting very closely, I stumbled upon a couple scenes containing explicit stuff. They're very quick, and you have to rewind it a couple times to see, but its there. One scene is penetration. The other scene is hand job/grabbing of penis. Now, like some Greek Exploitation films I've seen in the past that throw in really bad hardcore inserts, I'm pretty sure these were not inserts. They looked like they were from the film, and although you couldn't see the actresses face in either scene, I'm pretty sure it was Lia Flessa. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but Lia Flessa plays the woman who gets raped by George Stratagakis on the beach near the end of the movie.


For the Italian version of this film you are talking about, you have to read carefully what our good friend (and real expert) A.N. has replied to you in your previous post. Since I have never had a chance to watch the Greek original version, I can't pronounce myself categorically on the eventuality of some hardcore sequences, which, however, can't be excluded. Re Lia Flessa, there is no such evidence in the few films I have watched with her. But since I never had the chance to watch "Vromiki Parthena", I am very intrigued from what you claim (moreover as Yiorgos Michalakis had most probably taken part in a hardcore scene alongside Magda Makri in Paraskhakis's "Vromikes Kiries")....
Stratigakis undoubtedly took part in some hardcore scenes in P. Paraskhakis's "Studentinnen-Report" (h/c version: 5 Girls heiss wie Lava") and is a major "suspect" among the Greek actors of the 1970s to have shot such stuff, but no further concrete proof thereof has come to light, if I am not mistaken...

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Like Magda Makri and Tony Giftopolous in Zo Gia ton Erota, I'm not quite sure if these actors did or did not partake in hardcore. I would love to know just how many versions were shot in alot of these movies. I can even recall seeing something like penetration in Ta Eidola, which is a very powerful film by Efstratiadis.


Both of them are also "major suspects" ; in one of the soft versions available of Efstratiadis's "Zo ya ton Erota", one can hardly doubt that these two are having (real time) sex in the famous scene nearby the rocky seashore (shot from a reasonable distance)... If the (much anticipated and sought after) hardcore version of this film shows up one day (the famous US VHS from CalVista productions titled "The Joy of fooling around"), then we might as well make a more definitive judgment on this issue as well.
I agree with you about "Ta Eidola", in which (more than one) hardcore scenes must have been shot. The soft version is extremely informative...

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  Skatschko: Is there actual hardcore footage of Maria Konsta in Erotiki Teleti? The version I watched a couple years ago was the Dutch hardcore version "The Ceremony", but the scenes with her looked doubled. I heard that Itan Kapote Parteneres is the fullest, most explicit version.


Yes, but you have to extremely perspicacious to differentiate her scenes from the ones of Angela Stamou, both serviced by Chr. Nomikos. There have probably been several manipulations from the director (and eventually, some of the close-ups of the famous seaside fuck scenes must have been shot in an interior...). Personally, I have serious doubts about her anal scenes.

On the whole, for passionate as it might be, the subject of which Greek erotic film of the 1970s did possess a harder version (or, to be more accurate, the question related to the probability that some few -or more- hadrcore scenes had actually been shot in parallel or on the occasion of these productions' filming) is doomed to remain a very mysterious and exciting topic of conversation among fans, specialists etc. "until further and solid proof"...........

A.N. - May 8, 2008 04:19 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (skatschko @ May 8 2008, 04:10 PM)

Stratigakis undoubtedly took part in some hardcore scenes in P. Paraskhakis's "Studentinnen-Report" (h/c version: 5 Girls heiss wie Lava")

At 90% he is body-doubled.

A.N. - May 8, 2008 04:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (skatschko @ May 8 2008, 04:10 PM)
If the (much anticipated and sought after) hardcore version of this film shows up one day (the famous US VHS from CalVista productions titled "The Joy of fooling around"), then we might as well make a more definitive judgment on this issue as well.

There is no hard-core version. The CalVista edition has only scenes of explicit softcore, and no hardcore.
IT DOES NOT EXIST ANOTHER VERSION. THE ONLY CALVISTA VERSION is the one that both of us have in a truncated copy. -_-

stratagakis - May 9, 2008 05:37 PM (GMT)

There is a CalVista version of Joy of Fooling Around that is HARCORE, but apparently they're inserts. But, Pudgym from egafd claims that the hardcore in the US Calvista version are not inserts. I've contacted him about getting a copy, but, he does not have the technology to do such a thing. Very frustrating, as I would like to see this version for myself. I don't know anybody else who has a copy of this hardcore version. This is seriously the bane of my life!

A.N. - May 9, 2008 08:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (stratagakis @ May 9 2008, 05:37 PM)
There is a CalVista version of Joy of Fooling Around that is HARCORE,

Who says that?
I am convinced that there is only one CalVista version. Somebody calls it explicit softcore, somebody calls it hardcore, but it is just one and the same version.
The people who claim to have an original hardcore version either don't have the technology to make a copy or say that they are not able to find it anymore. It sounds very strange... :D

stratagakis - May 10, 2008 06:43 AM (GMT)
His name is Pudgym. You can find his profile and email on egafd. There is a topic about this exact subject, and if you enter in the search field "The Joy of Fooling Around", I'm sure you'll find what i'm talking about.
Like I said, I've heard different reports about this US CalVista version. It is said that its filled with botched hardcore inserts, but Pudgym says they're not inserts.

panosss - January 2, 2011 07:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (stratagakis @ May 8 2008, 03:27 PM)
To Nisi tis Amartias: I watched this movie recently, under the title Piacere Carnale. It was the Italian dub version, and generally, to my memory, the same as the Greek version I watched a couple years ago. Except, I don't remember the Greek version having the same Opening Title Sequence as the Italian version, which is basically a montage made up of several short sequences throughout the film. But, when inspecting very closely, I stumbled upon a couple scenes containing explicit stuff. They're very quick, and you have to rewind it a couple times to see, but its there. One scene is penetration. The other scene is hand job/grabbing of penis. Now, like some Greek Exploitation films I've seen in the past that throw in really bad hardcore inserts, I'm pretty sure these were not inserts. They looked like they were from the film, and although you couldn't see the actresses face in either scene, I'm pretty sure it was Lia Flessa. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but Lia Flessa plays the woman who gets raped by George Stratagakis on the beach near the end of the movie. And, if memory serves me correct, Lia Flessa plays the jealous girlfriend of Yiorgos Mihalakis in Vromiki Parthena, which, in one version I saw, had brief hardcore. But, I'm not sure as to whether they were staged by doubles, or the real actors. Its so hard to tell with so many of these films. Like Magda Makri and Tony Giftopolous in Zo Gia ton Erota, I'm not quite sure if these actors did or did not partake in hardcore. I would love to know just how many versions were shot in alot of these movies. I can even recall seeing something like penetration in Ta Eidola, which is a very powerful film by Efstratiadis. Anyway, I'm rambling here. If anyone has anything to add to this; perhaps some other examples of brief hardcore/explicit sex in other 70's Greek Exploitation then feel free to ramble.

Skatschko: Is there actual hardcore footage of Maria Konsta in Erotiki Teleti? The version I watched a couple years ago was the Dutch hardcore version "The Ceremony", but the scenes with her looked doubled. I heard that Itan Kapote Parteneres is the fullest, most explicit version.

Cheers ... Stratagakis

hi,how can i found the foreign h.c.version of to nisi tis amartias?i only saw the greek one.i also interest about vromikes kiries, any version,i prefer the hard one of caurse.

A.N. - January 3, 2011 09:15 AM (GMT)
1) The Italian version of TO NISI TIS AMARTIAS is titled PIACERE CARNALE and exists in two versions: one of them is the original softcore edition, the other is a h/c version made in Italy with some inserts mainly drawn from an Italian-French porn movie.

2) The Greek soft version of VROMIKES KYRIES has been released on video in Greece as TO TRIGONO. The Italian version titled (on video) TENTAZIONE BIONDA is soft and severely cut. It seems that the Italian h/c edition, theatrically released at the time, also exists on video.

3) Let me add that the previous thread (2008) is now outdated as far as the Calvista edition of JOY OF FOOLING AROUND is concerned. That h/c edition has by now resurfaced, and I have to admit that my friend "skatschko" was right and I was wrong.

Jönas - January 13, 2011 01:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (A.N. @ Jan 3 2011, 09:15 AM)
2) The Greek soft version of VROMIKES KYRIES has been released on video in Greece as TO TRIGONO. The Italian version titled (on video) TENTAZIONE BIONDA is soft and severely cut. It seems that the Italian h/c edition, theatrically released at the time, also exists on video.

Andrea my friend!

Been a long time since last. Is your book out yet?

VROMIKES KYRIES were released in a HC version in Sweden:

VROMIKES KYRIES


A.N. - January 14, 2011 12:08 PM (GMT)
Hi Jonas!
Nice to hear from you.
The book will be out in a few months.
I appreciate very much your wonderful website...

cinehound - January 16, 2011 10:02 AM (GMT)
Good luck with your book :D

A.N. - January 26, 2011 04:46 PM (GMT)
Thank you very much, Miltos.




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