Found this site today, has two of the smooth Afghans from another link I posted before. Lots of pictures. Go to the Gallery link and go down to Smooth Afghan.

Also this link on structure in sighthounds, breeding for a long side gait as opposed to the original function, to keep it Afghan specific, running uphill and bounding.

Another good find, you obviously have a talent for finding things on the internet despite your username. :P

Interesting reading regarding the structures and gait of various sghthounds.

Check here another smooth afghan, very good :Good: one.

I have never liked the 'Sundance' dog. He looks more like a Great Dane than a sighthound to me. Some lines of show Afghans, at least in the US, have pretty much eliminated any arch over the loin, probably from misinterpreting the standard, which calls for a level back, meaning from the whithers to the loin, not from the whithers to the hips.

The owner of the gold smooth male in the first post in the thread has bred him and puppies have arrived. Scroll down for pictures. None of the resulting puppies look smooth to me; they all have longish wavy hair on the ears. I'm not sure why she would expect smooth puppies from a breeding with such a low inbreeding coefficient, especially since it's obvious that it's some kind of recessive, and not a common one at that.

Another one, this one a very pretty bitch. Interestingly, she has feathering on the bottom of the ears. I looked at the pedigrees of five different smooths recently, and only one (no picture of that one) has a high inbreeding coefficient. I just don't know if this is a simple recessive that is just incredibly rare, or a recurring mutation. Afeena Mastermind (smooth dog born in the seventies, also with ear feathering) was bred to his grand-niece (or something like that) and supposedly produced a litter where half the pups were smooth. I can't find pictures of the pups, and this was in '83 or thereabouts.

I'm going to stop thinking about this now, it's making my head explode.

She is a beautiful bitch, I love that colouring.

When I was in kazakhstan I got talking about colour and coat genetics with a couple from Portugal (estrella mountain dog people) who were well up on genetics and it was really intresting stuff but we all ended up with sore heads from thinking and taking in all that was said. :chair:

In the Breed Box Bingo article linked eslewhere there is mention of smooth Salukis born to two feathered parents. I found a bit about one of these smooths being bred to a feathered bitch, and producing both smooth and feathered pups. Soooo, in Salukis, the anomalous smooth would be a reversion of the recessive feathered gene to the dominant smooth gene (one of them, if the dog produced feathered pups, he would be carrying a feathered gene as well, not homozygous for smooth.) If it works that way in Afghans, it would explain the smooth pups produced by Afeena Mastermind, even though the breeding was not a close one. It would also explain why there is only one smooth pup per litter when they do pop up, since it's a mutation. It will be interesting to see if any of the pups in Finland do turn out to be smooth. At least if you bred a smooth, you couldn't be accused of polluting the gene pool with a recessive that would disqualify a dog for showing. Although, I did check the AKC standard, and there are no DQs, plus under 'coat', the only fault listed is lack of a smooth saddle in mature dogs. I know the gold Finland dog has been shown; I'd find it highly amusing to take a smooth into the ring in the US, just to see what would happen. I'm easily amused, though :D

Well, I'm obviously an idiot. Two smooth puppies in the Finnish litter. Guess we don't need to speculate now.