From http://azusa.leamonde.net/


I Hate Anime Fans
(aka The Rant That Will Have Anime Fans Calling For My Bloody Public Execution)

Right now, I'm sure whoever has enough free time on their hands to read this section is no doubt thinking, "What the hell are you talking about, Azusa? You are an anime fan!" Well, this is true, but I still hate the vast majority of them, much like the fact that I dislike most humans in spite of being one myself. What follows is probably going to be along the lines of a long, maniacal, screechy spree of pent-up bitterness, so if you are the sort of fan who takes great pride in professng yourself to be an otaku, adding honorifics to your name, or proclaiming yourself the Miko of a certain character, you probably shouldn't read this.

Anyway. On to the rant.

I hate anime fans because they are conceited, anal-retentive, silly, thickheaded, ignorant, inane and elitist. It is true that every human being displays these traits at some point in their lives, but most anime fans seem to have gotten an extra helping of them. Most of the time, I find them simply naive, grating, and irritating when they begin to discuss their preferred medium of entertainment.

Hmm, a good example of the sort of thing I'm talking about would be... try going up to the average anime fan and casually referring to sa's favorite show as a "cartoon." Nine times out of ten, you'll get to see the wheels in their head creak a little bit before the veins in their forehead start to twitch and steam starts coming out of their ears moments before they treat you to an extensive, violent rant on how anime is NOT cartoons, you stupid ugly American, it is a high form of art, unlike the half-hour toy commercials produced on this side of the Pacific, and to refer to it as a mere cartoon is to spit upon, pillage and violate all of the elite aesthetic glory that is anime.

Discounting the fact that the marketing blitz accompanying popular shows in Japan often surpasses what we get in the West (we never saw Sailor Moon sausages over here, did we?), 'anime' is actually-- surprise-- just the Japanese word for 'animation'! Thus, Pokemon, Akira, Legend of the Overfiend, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Mickey Mouse, and Fritz the Cat all technically fall under the enormous banner of 'anime'. And last I checked, it was perfectly acceptable to speak of British or European cartoons; there exists no particular provision stipulating that 'cartoon' must refer only to American-produced work. Anime=animation=cartoons. End of story. (On a similar note, it should be noted that "seiyuu" is merely the Japanese word for "voice actor," and calling someone a "seiyuu" does not mean that they are on an artistically higher level than a mere voice actor.)

Somewhat along those same lines, there also seems to exist a rule in the Unwritten Code of Otakudom that denouncing everything Western and championing everything Japanese is an essential part of being an anime fan. Now, I will freely admit that there are many aspects of Japanese culture I do like. I like their tendancy to emphasize effort as more important than innate ability, their social politeness, and the fact that enough people there take video games seriously enough to orchestrate their music (among other things). It is also an irrefutable fact that Pocky kicks ass. However, I know enough of their history and culture (unlike many anime fans, who think they can glean an accurate picture of Japanese society solely from watching subtitled videos) to know that Japanese culture also has its fair share of aspects that aren't admirable. It's still very much a male-dominated society, despite what anime might suggest, and can be downright repressive at times, not to mention there still remains an omnipresent attitude throughout most of Japan that foreigners, no matter how nice and decent, can never truly be accepted as "one of us." And don't get me started on the fact that the Japanese government has never apologized for wartime atrocities committed during WWII... but this isn't a political rant, so what it all comes down to is that you just can't take something as complex as an entire culture and slap it with a quick judgment like that.

The "America bad, Japan good" attitude, though, has ultimately spawned something even more utterly annoying than mere cultural chauvinism, and this is the irritating plague of fans who try to prove their Otaku Eliteness by speaking in weird bastardizations of Japanese and English, attaching honorifics to their names, and transcribing character names according to their original katakana spellings. Now, the first one doesn't always bug me that much unless it reaches a point where English speakers can't actually understand what the hell you're saying. The second one does annoy me, because honorifics are something that depend on your status relative to the person you're speaking to, so giving yourself an honorific makes no sense. The third one makes me want to froth at the mouth and rake my fingernails down the wall before going out to messily destroy adorable woodland creatures.

A word about the Japanese writing system might be useful here. As most anime fans know, the Japanese have a phonetic alphabet-- katakana-- which is used primarily to write words of foreign origin. (The other phonetic alphabet is hiragana, which is used to write Japanese words.) Now, the deal with katakana is that it only contains sounds which occur naturally in the Japanese language-- thus, there is no "l" sound, no "th" sound, and so on. Thus, it is used to write foreign words according to how the Japanese would pronounce them. Katakana words are NOT to be taken as actual spellings when transcribed literally. Many fans, ironically often those who toss off Japanese phrases at the drop of a hat, don't even realize this and think it is Cool or 1337 to romanize character names as they look in katakana. This is just STUPID.

For example, the anime series Slayers, a recent obsession of mine, has a character named "Sylphiel." Since the "si" sound doesn't occur in Japanese, all foreign words containing the "si" sound are written with the letter for "shi." I can't even count how many pages I've seen referring to her as "Shilfiel," "Shilfeel," "Shirufiel," and so on. Likewise, Anthy Himemiya from Revolutionary Girl Utena often has her name butchered into "Anshi" by fans. "Amelia" becomes "Ameria," "Martina" becomes "Maruchina," and... well, anyone who's spent any length of time visiting anime pages has probably seen this. One of the worst examples that I've seen concerns a character in Slayers called "Copy Rezo"-- "Copy" because, well, he is a copy of a character named (surprise) Rezo. However, anime fans PERSISTANTLY and CONTINUOUSLY insist on mangling this into "Kopii Rezo" or "Koppi Rezo." It's an English word. An ENGLISH word!! "Kopii" is just the Japanese pronounciation of the word "copy"! I haven't heard any anime fans claiming that they watch anime on their "terebi" recently. And yet I still see innumerable shrines, fanfics, and self-professed "information" pages referring to "Kopii Rezo."

The ultimate blow to my last shreds of confidence in society, though, was dealt when I saw a page referring to the series whose name is usually rendered into English as "Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon" (Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon, Bishoujo Senshi Sailormoon, or Bishoujosenshisailormoon, or whatever the hell the Elite Hard-Core Otaku way of writing it is) written as "Bishoujo Senshi Seeraamuun." Is "Seeraa Muun" the way it is written in katakana? Yes. Did Naoko Takeuchi actually intend the name of her manga to be "Seeraa Muun?" I highly doubt it, especially taking into account that katakana is used mainly to write words of foreign origin, and since the words are written in katakana, the most obvious conclusion is that they're intended to be-- GASP-- foreign words! No, misspelling character and show names does not make you elite. It just makes you look like an idiot. Anyhow, if you've ever even seen any officially licensed Japanese SM merchandise, it usually has S-A-I-L-O-R-M-O-O-N written on it in very unmistakable romaji. Then again, I've fairly well given up on expecting anime fans to display anything in the way of rational thought. These are people who engage in flamewars over whether "Sailor Moon" is one word or two, for God's sake.

Now, I've become increasingly aware that there are more than a few other people who share my view on the vast majority of fandom, but quite frankly, from what I've gathered, most of them are afraid to speak out. And who can blame them? If there's one general characteristic of anime fans which irks me more than any other, it's that they take themselves and their entertainment too damn seriously. Sure, Japanese animation seems to put more of an emphasis on telling a serious story with well-developed characters than most of the animation we get in the West, but it's hardly an inviolable constant. I've seen some extremely crappy anime and some really damned good non-Japanese animation.

Not every anime series is an irreproachable masterpiece of cinematography and character. That said, a bad dub is not the end of the world either. Sure, DiC did a hack job on the English version of SM, but to be frank, it's not as if what existed in the first place was classic cinema either. SM is entertaining fluff, with no deeper meaning to it beyond the usual shoujo series "the power of friendship and love" message. If you're one of the sorts of people who expounds at length on webpages and bulletin boards about the "incredible beauty and power" of SM, why the last episode is the greatest masterpiece of cinema since "Citizen Kane", and how Usagi is a metaphor for Jesus, please do the rest of us a favor and garrote yourself with piano wire. (And yes, before you ask, I have seen the Original Real Japanese Version. I don't want to get started on this. I'm not saying that it's a bad show-- only that most fans take it entirely too seriously.)

In sum, I suppose the gist of my advice to anime fans would be:

1. 'Anime' and 'cartoon' mean the same thing.

2. Watching anime does not make you a qualified expert on the Japanese culture.

3. Sailor Moon (Sailormoon, whatever) is not the be-all and end-all of animated entertainment.

4. Stop taking yourselves so damned seriously. Being an anime fan (or a fan of a certain series, or a fan of subs as opposed to dubs) does not make you superior to the average person.

I actually really agree with miss Azusa here.

I LOVE western cartoons! Granted, I don't particularly like some of the newer stuff coming out on Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon, which looks like it only took the creators about 10 minutes to come up with and 5 to draw, but let's think back to good stuff like Rugrats and Rocko's Modern Life. I think that if there was an anime about a bunch of babies or a wallaby it just wouldn't be as good.

As for the whole "watching anime makes you a Japanese expert thing", I think that is probably one of the biggest things that annoys me about otaku also. I mean, if you're taking Japanese and actually learning the language then that's fine, but I hate it when I'm talking to people and they call me "Rechiru-chan", for example. My name is Rachel! Please call me by my given name. I'm not Japanese and I don't care to be. I like their cartoons, games and products, but I definitely prefer to be American and to live in the USA.

Finally, I loved the Sailor Moon dub. I own the whole first season in Japanese, but if I really need a good laugh I'll go put my old SM VHS in. The Japanese version was so much more serious. It was still good, but it lacked a lot of the stupid humor that the English dub put in there, and sometimes I just need my fix of stupid humor XD

Although Cartoon Network hasn't brought the best looking stuff, I have to disagree. Chowder is a pretty interesting piece of animation, and a lot more entertaining then would have been predicted. Overall, CN tends to get better animated stuff then any other channels nowadays, I think.

I could defend almost any cartoon network animation. But I'm not touching George of the Jungle. :P

My big beef with most of the animation coming out of America these days is that most of it is just low quality compared to even ten years ago, and yes, I know, some of that is colored by nostalgia from my childhood, but if stuff like Angry Beavers or Rocko's Modern Life or Doug comes on, I can still sit down and enjoy it.

I wanted to rip my hair out over the summer when I babysat and was forced to watch shit like Camp Lazlo and My Gym Partner is a Monkey. Still kids show, but they're just STUPIDLY inane.

There's other things that piss me off. Not too long ago, I came across some very new Tom & Jerry episodes on television, and I thought I'd watch 'em to see if they were good or not. They weren't. Remember the old cartoons, where Tom always got his ass handed to him by the mouse? Not in this new one I watched! Tom managed to get out of every scrape with some eye-widening and a shrug of his shoulders, and while this may seem base of me, taking all the physical humor out of something like Tom & Jerry absolutely RUINED the show.

It's PC shit like that which makes it so networks RARELY show old Loony Toons. I can't remember the last time I turned on Cartoon Network and saw Bugs Bunny playing.

Remember, back in the late eighties and early nineties, when kids shows used to have a story? A plot? They weren't stupidly episodic, and they really didn't talk down to people. The old X-Men and Spiderman shows, Pirates of Dark Water, ReBoot, hell, even Disney's animated shows were pretty good! Does anyone else remember that necromancer dude from the Aladdin animated show? He was one creepy, evil bastard!

Nowadays, though, the kids shows just don't HAVE stuff like that.

Now, the 'adult' cartoons are even worse. I can't STAND most of them. They generally have worse animation quality than the kids shows, toilet humor, absolutely stupid jokes, and they just appeal to the basest qualities in the people that watch them. Even Simpsons has gone down hill, Family Guy is pointless anymore, and while I have some hope for the new season of Futurama when it starts airing, I'm scared it's going to get fucked.

I'll admit, I do occasionally enjoy Drawn Together, but the animation quality in that is at least of slightly better quality. The humor, sometimes, just gets to be too STUPID to stand.

There's only a couple of shows that have come out of the US in the last couple of years, cartoon-wise, that I really find myself enjoying. Foster's Home for Imaginary friends is a kids show that I actually kind of like, but it has decent animation and slightly better humor. Avatar, and my fangirl is showing, is simply EXCELLENT, and has such wonderful things as awesome animation, a compelling plotline, interesting characters, and story development!

Sure, Avatar has some roots in japanese animation, but even so, it is definately a western show.

BUT, since this is turning into a Tl;DR, I'll get to my point. I like anime becuase it has things that a lot of american shows have been lacking in the past few years; plot, character development, humor, drama, angst, whatever, when it's appropriate. Not all shows, mind, and there are some INCREDIBLY STUPID anime as well, but the volume of animation that Japan produces means that even with all the dreck, one can find some genuine good things to watch.

It's a lot harder to do that in america. I'm hoping that the influx of anime and shows like Avatar may kick the american animation industry back into being something worthwhile.

Note to self: Call Sesshouga "Rechiru-chan."

So there's another anti-otaku rant from another self-hating otaku. The rant about people who see just a few anime and claim to be experts, followed by rants that indicate the writer has seen just a few anime. The rant about people who don't know what anime and cartoons are, followed by an incorrect explanation of what anime and cartoons are. As long as Azusa doesn't have any significant power, we don't need to worry about another Otaku no Video coming out.

This one seems to be from about ten years ago. The writer is most familiar with Sailor Moon and thinks it's the favorite of most otaku. The other references are to Fushigi Yuugi, Slayers, and Utena. Did Azusa go on to rant about either the stupid otaku who think Pokemon is a good anime or the stupid otaku who think Pokemon isn't a good example of anime?

The site hasn't be updated in 4 years. :rolleyes:

Meh old rant or not it still holds merit.

Although I think that there are different stages of otakudom that we all progress through. The Japanophile one that is mentioned is a common one. The stages of fandom have to be something like: Casual, Medium, Otaku, Japanophile, disillusioned with portions of Japanese culture but still love their cartoons, pedophile, Enlightenment and balance.

Thats a rough attempt to categorize it.

Wait, pokemon isn't a good anime? xD

Yeah, disney use to have really cool shows. I remember watching them as a kid.

Camp Lazlo is pathetic I agree, but I actually like My Gym Partner is a Monkey.

Overall, I've come to enjoy kiddie cartoons far more then I find myself enjoying any adult cartoons, and have come to poke fun at myself and get a fair amount of grief for. I laugh a lot more at stuff for people younger then me then anything else. Adult cartoons, well I can enjoy the Simpsons occasionally, and Futurama most of the time, but that's it. Everyone has tried to get me into Family Guy, and it has yet to be anything but a waste of my life.

If your too simple minded to under stand End of Eva, You should just go back to watching ur stupid Pokemon crap and leave the forum for the adults You can come back when your mature enuf to apreciate real anime.

That's what it was like in 2001.

Quotes regarding American cartoons of now vs. then:

There are a few good cartoons out now, Fosters Home for Imaginary friends is pretty good, I mean not as many good action cartoons as their were back in the early 90s, but most of that void has been filled by edited down anime...

Though not too long ago Samurai Jack was out, which was one of the best action cartoons I've seen american or japanese.

Yeah Samurai Jack was awesome. So was Megas XLR.

Totally agree. This is really brilliant. I have honestly seen people start month long online wars over if Teen Titans was a anime or not. >.< people take this shit too seriously.