Just a forum thing on DDR!!!



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1. Subsonics Full - Step Mania - Max Combo~ 985



xD haha!! I am... AWESOME

I AA'd A.

I'm decent at it, can pass most songs of heavy... ^^;;

lol. I'm having a couple friends over today, and we're gonna be doing cosplay DDR xD It's gonna be so fun!


I'm being Ritsuka. Since I don't have his jacket ready, I'm being my own style of Ritsuka. hopfully people at the con know who I am>>


I will only cosplay as my own style Ritsuka if I don't get his jacket in time............


This went way off topic xD

On stepmania, I've AAed most songs I have, Aed most 300+ bpm insane songs (the max's, outer limits, etc).

In real life, I can pass some songs (like 10ish) on heavy and all on standard (though there are like maybe 2 songs that are so hard for me that I can only do them on light).

i play on heavy. 8's are usually all i can do, couple non-crazy 9's when i'm not about to have a heart attack. only songs i've managed to AA are loveshine, magic door, and cowgirl. lol~ how awesome am i?!

i used to play every weekend, but i haven't been able to in awhile and my stamina is shot. so one game almost kills me now, but i still love playing it <3

i'vebeenreallywantingtoplayPIUlatelytoo

Love·Shine isn't that hard on heavy..... I play that all the time and I never fail. I get super tired but thats it...


I never AA'd it before though. Even WITH the controller >>

Being a girl, you can hardly find any other girls who can do 9s... I need to go practice 10s, eventually.


I B or A most 9s on mat. AA most 9s on controller, er.. A most 10s? sometimes B or C them..

There are other girls out there who can do 9s. Well, at least on my mat at home, I fail at using cobalt fluxes, completely and utterly, and it's been so long since I've seen a decent machine and had the proper shoes for it that I don't know how well I'd do...

But I'm good on an ignition pad! <.<

Au contraire!

There are a good number of girls out there who can play nines, and a fair number who can play tens like pie. On a mat, of course. Playing on a controller makes DDR just like any other video game.

And there's nothing like playing on an arcade machine. ^_^

I'm curious. How does one "play like pie"? :lol:

I get the feeling that DDR should never be gender-specific, but that's just my two yen.

Playing like pie is hard to put a finger on. After all, there are so many different kinds of pie.

But I imagine it goes something like this with a DDR pad or two.

:blink:

Whether or not DDR should be gender-specific, the fact is that it becomes gender specific once a girl walks onto the machine. Have you ever seen that glimmer of hope that passes through the males when a chick walks in? Sort of looks like this: :wtf:. Or maybe I'm mistaken and that's just an eye twitch. But I'm certainly not mistaken by the solid percentage of guys who hit on every DDR chick they encounter within a five mile radius.

Just my two yen.

First I think when you say you know a good number of girls who play DDR really well. I think you're lying. Absolutely, maybe because you can think of 10 or even 20 (I'm going excessively large) girls who play or might be competent, doesn't mean there are a lot.

Realize the gender problem isn't about DDR, there's no DDR gender difference at all. If there are specific people who have that personality mindset, it's going to happen anywhere. Here at MIT, at cal tech, a beach in tijuana, any singles bar.

The defining characteristic is that the ratio of girls to guys is so skewed that girls tend to draw attention.

Obviously, there are people who play DDR who don't hit on girls, hence not a DDR problem, just a "the people you happen to play around are girl starved" problem.

Not only does this note the logical fallacy of proof by example, but it also answers back that a good number of girls play DDR, because if a relatively good number of girls did this problem would exist at a no doubt negligible level.

Just from observation. I can count easily list off many male players who can sub 20 max 300, and no female players. Obviously they're are some, there're just few and far between.

Of course there are people who play DDR who don't hit on girls. Hell, there are people who play DDR who don't even like girls. Snazzy. Regardless of whether you're willing to face the facts, a good number (not "all") of specific male people who happen to play DDR happen to be also be girl-starved, which constitutes a trend. You speak as if my experiences are outliers. :huh:

Good for the kiddos who can sub 20 MAX 300. And stupendous job at disputing my imaginary claim that the best of the best are female. -_-

Hardly striving for proof by example. More like generalization by examples.

Oh, my.

I'm not quite sure how the fact or lack thereof that DDR players hit on other DDR players validates gender-specificness, but again, that's me.

I'll be the first to attest that it does happen - one of the players at our local haunt is now dating a long time female player from said haunt - but hey, I don't think it was solely the game that caused them to connect moreso than their personalities.

Some of them just fantasize about those things happening, to be able to connect with someone who share their passions and interests, but I digress. I've ran this thread far enough aground that I don't need to try any harder. :P

At Parmatown mall (main place I play DDR at), it's damn near a 1:1 ratio of guys to girls.

There are a few girls who can do 9s and 10s no problem.

Then at Ohayocon, I played a round with some girl and she AAed a bunch of 8 foot songs....and did a few 9s and 10s.

On our end, it's more like 3:1.

It really just depends on where you go. And anyone who thinks that gender is an ample benchmark of one's talent is, well...'nuff said.

It doesn't. That's my point. The fact that guys hit on girls / are attracted to girls / treat girls differently than they do guys is completely separate from whether or not gender matters in DDR.

Those are all things that are inherent in human nature not in DDR itself, that's why you see the exact same behavior in other situations.

I'm saying that the normal guys like girls sort of attraction is exemplified when the ratio of girls to guys is small. That is people tend to want to find partners who are similar to themselves and thus tend to hit on girls who portray similar interests. This has essentially been said by other people.

To respond to saxyclarinette, in detail, because she deserves it:

I don't know where you get this idea that I'm unwilling to face the facts. I agreed with you that DDR players hit on girls. What I'm saying is that the causation you claim is false. The logical fallacy of cum hoc ergo propter hoc. But it seems like you the original accusation was well taken, and you've toned down your absolute language. Good for you.

Also, what's this jump to girl-starved rhetoric. Here you're using the fallacy of affirming the consequent. It may be true that people who are girl starved hit on girls. But just because people hit on girls that doesn't mean they're girl starved.

The real important thing to realize, and what validates my claim of your cum hoc ergo propter hoc, is that DDR has nothing to do with whether guys hit on you or not. I'm sure you can say a lot of guys who are mainstream who currently don't have girlfriends want one. They probably want a girl who has similar interests. This means they hit on girls who they see might fit this description. Some crazy girl starved DDR player story? I think not. A brief description of how relationships are started all across the world, maybe so.

I think you're singling out this group because of how socially awkward they are and thus how strangely/badly they hit on you. iirc, we couldn't even come up with a solid definition of "hitting on."

I think it's also important to note that you're guilty of the logical fallacy irrelevant conclusion. Even if we take your correlation to be true, that doesn't have anything to do whether DDR skill is gender specific.

You said you know girls who can pass 10s like pie. I created as standard for "like pie" that seemed consistent with average players. Hence, I was refuting your claim that there are a significant number of female players at a "pie" level. Moreover, if you look at the rest of what I said, I was refuting the claim that there are a significant number of female players who can even pass all the 9s.

Realize, that there isn't causality here at all. I'm just saying that there are significantly less girls who play (using the law of large numbers) and there are even less who are consistent enough to be "pie" players. Of course they exist, and good for them, they're awesome. Still numerically insignificant.

One more.

This should be quick, you are trying to avoid this fallacy by rephrasing it and claiming that as what you did. I mean really, the other name for proof by example is inappropriate generalization. Nothing more than a special case of hasty generalization. To be clear though. You took a very limited sample size, and then based on those examples you preceded to verify your argument that girls will be hit on if they play DDR. Seems like I was right.

I'm not going to win this one, am I? :blink:

And by that, I totally mean "I'll go easy on you and let you win this one."

Defeat? What defeat? :unsure:

Can you say....

HeAtEd DeBaTe?!

i'm a girl, and I do 9s. I could do 10s if I had a little more stamina.
DX


I don't understand the arguements, though. =<

I also like lotsa bemani games, so..

^-^

I'm just a bemani nerd. XD

HeAtEd DeBaTe

Yup, seems like I can say it. And really, I think melink14 deserves a nice, hearty response from me so he can nitpick more fallacies. I'll churn one up when I find the time, Mr. DDR Guru. :P

And for the record, the AP DDR room this weekend was pretty badass. Almost makes me wish I played more on console than at the arcade.

why?

Soooooo, who was it was saying that there aren't a good number of girls who can the freaking hard songs? Because I do believe the DDR room this weekend blew that out of the water; I swear, most of the time, half of the players in the room were of the feminine persuasion, and a good portion of them were kicking the pants off of you boys ;p.

Why? Because it was less serious and more fun. Even when there are that many people playing at the arcade, a good number of the players are in this competitive mindset, worrying so much about SDGs that they forget to have fun. Or maybe they enjoy being so score-oriented, but it tends to either ruin others' fun or doesn't contribute to it. But on console this weekend? There was that cute 2P Mission Mode. And the environment was much more relaxed. 'Twas nice.

And hell, the timing window's bigger. :P

I'm not so sure about "a good portion" of girls at the pants-kicking level, but there sure were a good number of them in the DDR room, more than I'd usually see in an arcade. Surely melink14 will be happy to point out some fallacy in my observation, so I'll shut my mouth ahead of time to give him less to gripe about. ^_^

And at any any rate, he kicked our pants right back off. Figuratively! Not like...you know. :unsure:

Well, should I rephrase that to there were about as many girls at the pants kicking level as there were guys? Strings of nine-footers seems pretty good to me!

Then again, I was pretty much going non stop the whole weekend, and I wasn't always in DDR, so meh, maybe my brain has decided to finally crapy out on me.

If it helps, I remember my mom being in the room and asking a few of the guys if they were going to let me beat them. =\

I mean, so I know there's a trend of people wanting to get good scores on songs and that you would never think about your scores or what you might ever get on a song, so you can completely unhypocritically criticize other people who like to improve at DDR, but I can't. I enjoy doing good at songs and improving at the various things I do in life, I admit it.

I also have fun doing it, and more fun with other people. If people get uptight then we have fun making fun of them. people are running all over the place generally having a good time. (Towel snapping contests with random strangers, doesn't seem all that dry and competitive to me) When I'm not doing 16 hour psets and am instead in the arcade even in the worst case scenario, I'm about as relaxed as I get.

I mean arcade has battle mode on it? how can that ever by serious? it's about the most ridiculous thing I've ever done.

Really, you didn't say anything wrong, it just saddens me to find out that the rest of us are making your experience less good in the arcades. Please believe me when I say we aren't out to steal our fun, it's just we don't realize that in the midst of our good time some people are being excluded.

So Lothlin bites this fully, although saxy doesn't really, she lets it slide which means she's complicit.

We're seeing here the fallacy of small numbers. Even if some actually data was collected on the number of girls vs guys and their relative skill, the number of people is so small that no conclusion can be made about which gender is better.

I think it's pretty clear that even when girls like DDR they're too sensible to spend the countless hours playing it to get ridiculously good.

I mean there was nobody good at this con, even though plenty of competent people showed themselves.

It's not to say there were plenty of up and coming competent players, girls and guys alike. But when you play with the people who make videos of themselves and post them on you tube, you realize that you have a longways to go, even after you pass all the songs in the game.

Thanks for your sarcasm. You win this one.

Ahh, crap! My bad. It's been a good while since I've played battle mode. Last time was uh...at Game Universe against you. Let's play battle again sometime, then. ^_^

There isn't much that can make DDR not-fun, but some of its charm is lost amidst the chair-throwing, wall-punching, and the complaints of omg-people-are-breathing-too-loudly-so-i-can't-play-well. And I think a little part of me dies inside every time you throw your hands up when you get a great. :P

Little part as in...mm, a quarter of a heart. And about half whenever someone walks off the pad.

But hey, whatever. That's fine.

Hm...can you say admstyles? :huh:

....

Well, what the fuck ever. Have fun believing that. I'm too annoyed to argue this anymore.

Oh dear. Certainly you don't mean that. :blink:

Though if you do, sorry for contributing to the annoyance. :unsure:

It's actually not this conversation I'm that annoyed at, and the last bit wasn't directed at you. I'm just... annoyed XD. *pats* It's not you, I just could have worded that better.

I'm not sure what the arguements are, but I seriously think that male vs. female dicussions on skill are irrelevent. Men aren't better than women, and women aren't better then men at a game like this. I know this, because I have faced both, and I have both failed and cleared.


So, as another DDR Discussion, has anyone ever gotten injured from DDR?

I currently can't walk thanks to ankle muscles being sore from it (Not sure what I did to it, though..) lol

I haven't ever, really. There's been a few instances where I play too much one day and then my feet/calves hurt or have blisters (if I play at an arcade) the next day.