Hey everyone,

I'm working on the convnetion schedule and before I fill it in too much, I want to know if there are any panels that you would all like to see?

Also, if you want to HOST a panel, please email us right away so we know to include it!

Thanks!

Something involving yaoi. >>

Could you please try and be a little less stereotypical of yourself?!

Alright. I'll attempt it. Are you bringing back the trial this year? I missed the pinata being beaten to a bloody pulp last time.

Bring back the hentai olympics XD
scar my mind even more!
cause seeing a fat chick on stage doing things you would of never thought in front of a live audience for a hershey kiss is life changing!
Also the condom toss XD
(I contributed)

What the Hell?!
You know that anime you like but the ending confused you. You know that series that seems cool but you feel like your missing half the story. Same here. But fret not for we have the gathered the best minds (well maybe not best) explain it to you. Disscusse some of the deeper meaning behind some of the more esotric anime in plain simple English (the forum has been dub, the sub version will be out later).
Basicly a panel talk about deep anime without getting too deep ourselves.

Crack Anime
Crack anime, noun 1. Anime that was made by people on crack. 2. Anime that is only enjoyed or understood by people on crack. 3. Anime that can be used a substitue for crack.
A panel to talk about those off the wall series that you either laugh at or go brain dead from.

Top 10 Worst Endings Ever
Eva has number one, what are the other nine. Come help us pick them.

Staff Rants
Listen to our staff rant about their thougths on anime, manga, cosplay, fanboys, and anything else about the industry they want to. Watch the poor guys release some stress by letting you know what they really think of Naruto.
Just a little something I thought you could have with different staff members coming in and saying what ever they want.

Are we talking about the series ending of Eva, or the movie ending? ;p

I do like the staff rants idea XD

Staff rants sounds cool. I know what I'm starting to think of Naruto.

Most of those messed up endings come from Gainax. Or at least This Ugly and Yet Beautiful World and Diebuster are on the list along with Eva. If you consider Endless Waltz the end of Gundam Wing it could possibly be included.

Crack anime. Street Fighter II the Animated Movie and the new Kanon are as addicting as crack. Ugu! Chun Li shower scene.

Maybe the best intros and outros ever.

I would argue though that the Gundam Wing series had a much worse ending then the movie!

"Well, we're really sorry that we have caused a big hole in earth that has probably killed thousands of people and will cause the planet to have even more enviromental problems. That's okay, a fifteen year girl has explained to us to peace, so we can be friends, and know you forgive us right away for what we've done."
"That's right, no being tried for war crimes or such, you have our complete forgiveness!"

If you've seen Mobile Suit Gundam then Gundam Wing isn't that surprising.

This Ugly and Beautiful Worlds ending is actually pretty generic and normal (though it could have been so much more!)

Diebuster also makes a lot more sense if you've seen Gunbuster, and on that note, Gunbusters ending is mind blowing but not all that fucked up.

I equate Gainax with GOOD endings, not necessarily fucked up ones (and yes, I thought that Eva had a great ending).

Same, I liked the ending. See, we'd have to clarify; Are these animes that have endings that make you go WTF a little (since Eva clearly does that,) or anime that just leave you wishing you hadn't watched the last episode/last several episodes, or ones that just end with NO CLOSURE.

Like. Loveless comes to mind, or... ugh, can't think of any others at the moment, but I'm sure I will.

Eva's ending is only bad if you don't get it, otherwise its just fine.

Now if you want a fucked up ending from something by Gainax try Kare Kano, which can't even be considered an ending.

Otherwise Gainax does an awesome job with endings (like Gunbuster and Abenobashi).

I guess we'll have to decide what when mean by bad ending if this becomes a panel.

I can't fully get Diebuster because I have only seen the 1st three episodes of Gunbuster. thats probably why I did not care much for the ending.

I'm with Mike This Ugly and Yet Beautiful World should have had a much better ending. Perhaps it would have been if they had made the series longer.

@Lilith's Dark Shadow there are several reasons why Kare Kano has a fucked up ending. Those don't really excuse the fact but they do make it more understandable.

I suppose.

Though it bothers me until everyone is at each others necks until they listen to Relena, and then after hearing her...

The last few episodes of Wolf's Rain made my mom cry. XD

you know... if we're going to have a panel on all the normal hentai stuff (yaoi and yuri mostly) that i see at cons... i want to host one on japanese bondage if thats cool with Mike.

Might get Roman (how the fuck do i spell his name anyway?) to help me since i talked to him about it at ohayocon today.

...now if i can only find someone willing to be my example...

Panels.

Well, here's a list of things I am willing to do panels of, but I want to know what you people want!

ParaPara
Eurobeat (in Japanese Culture)
Illustration Basics
Bemani (Music) Gaming
Inital D
Japanese Language lessons (basic)


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email Programming@animepunch.org

Roman was at Ohayo?

Also: Use him as the test subject

I think a saiyuki panel would be awesome. ^.^

man, i'd rather not have to resort to that, especially since most shibari techniques are only designed to work on women

Would anyone be interested in attending an Ouran Koukou Host Club panel? Ohayo Con had mis-print the "Tea Party" title and confused everyone into thinking it was a panel. Alot had showed, more then what I imagined.

I would! ^^

yeah, we could roleplay it even, somewhat. Like I have ZERO clue how to charm a lady, so I could be the hopeless sap that the Ouran club whips into gear....that sounds like a cosplay skit, tho.

But yeah, I'd help with a panel for Ouran.

Thanks for the offer to help. I'm not sure yet if I am going to do it or not. I'm glad to see there are some are interested in helping and attending to one.

One I'd like to see.

Panal: "Well, I think your fanfic...sucks."

How to break it your friends that they have a mary-sue in their fanfiction, or that their ficfiction is flat our awful. Since some things are better left unsaid to some people, we'll cover how to get out of telling them the unwanted details of their fanfic.

Hm...I think I actually want to do this panal!

you mean people have problems telling people that sort of stuff?

If anything that panel would be "how to bring out your inner ass"

Or better yet, awful things about fanfics. Or roleplay. Or Mary Sues in general....


....Yuffie, we should totally run it together. I've done enough roleplaying over the years to know a mary sue at fifty yards. XD

This is an idea my college anime club (California University of Pennsylvania) and I thought up and I think it'd make a cool panel

State of Otakudom Address:
An overview of how fandom currently is and what are some problems that are currently faced. Also discusses conventions in general and the various genres that are running rampant in them. The latest anime are also discussed and suggested/warned to those who haven't seen em. Kinda general, I know, but I think it'd be fun as an overview for those not in the know.

Does this sound cool? I'd probably need some other ppl to host with me...I clam up when presenting ^^;;

I like this idea a lot.

i never got why people like mary sues... perfect characters are just so goddamned boring

character flaws are love, even if you hate them

now I don't read much fanfiction at all....and if I do, it's usually a lemon :-3

but I think I would read about mary sues, in hopes of their 'perfect' selves breaking down after fucking something up. I dunno, I seeing that. Like when Vash had to kill in Trigun, I cheered and said 'yeah! love and peace NOW, idealistic bitch!!'

>.>.....<.<......*hides*

The point of mary sues is generally self gratification and self esteem boosting; they're generally perfect, beautiful, powerful, and related to every single canon character (assuming it's a canon universe.) And then they'll go angst in a corner and expect everyone to come over and give them hugs and ego boosters and tell them how wonderful they are.

At least in the context of roleplay. Fanfiction mary sues tend to be that, except they write in their own ego boosters.

Characters in both tend to be self inserts, so that if someone DARES to criticize the character, the player will throw a pissy little bitch fit because OMGS they put their heart and soul into it and he/she is just like them and how could you not like my darling mary sue! *gags*

...And generally, the same players have a bad tendency towards horridly purple prose.

So... The only people who really like mary-sues are the players and occasionally some of their lethargic wangsty friends who are perfectly happy to up their egos as their own are upped.

x.x

I want to kill them all with fire.

At the same time, on a psychological level, if people are writing these Mary-sues out of some sort of emotional void or to fill some sort of Maslowian need, then ripping them apart is probably both unnecessary and illadvised. It should be noted that I think we already have two other fanfiction oriented panels so I vote we give this one a miss.

I had to be told what a "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" was not too long ago. I never knew what one was and now I do. Pretty much perfect, self-inserted/original characters. A character that everyone (within the story) seems to like or a character that can seemingly do no wrong. I guess these types would be boring after a while. They have to have some kind of conflict or problem to make them not seem so one-dimensional. Characters who come across as perfect, literally are boring. Even some canon characters are written in this way by fanfiction authors, even if the character isn't a Mary Sue for the actual series (Hikari from Digimon comes to mind; stories dealing with her always seem to have her written as being perfect by fanfic authors). IMO, the worse case of "Mary Sues" and "Gary Stus" have to be for Harry Potter fiction. Those seem to be loaded with self-inserts and such.

The funny thing is, I could've been using a "Mary Sue" in old fics of mine and not even known it. I can only think of one fic of mine that may (or may not) have a character that could be considered one. It's in the fic I was planning on submitting for the contest since I never finished my Sailor Moon one. Anywho, I have a character that (usually) gets along with everyone, but, you also find out that she has "issues" which is why she seems to go out of her way to be nice (that was my implication, anyway)...so I guess that doesn't really fit the definition of a Mary Sue, does it?

The idea of a panel talking about the negatives of fanfiction (Mary Sues for example) seems extremely interesting for me. It might help me down the road as well as other fanfic writers.

Mike: There's probably a way to handle that type of a panel without getting too viscious. Personally, I just feel that mentioning the fact that a character who has no flaws is just, well, not as interesting as those with flaws...then again...bah, I dunno. ^^;

Fair enough, Mike. ^^ I didn't no we had the other panels, I may have to attend those

Eh, that's not what I'm talking about though. Not everyone intentionally writes a Mary-Sue. A fanfiction writer who is trying to refine and improve their writing wants to avoid the character they create being a Mary-Sue, as characters like this as many people pointed out, are boring to read.

And when a friend is approching a story with this attitude, and they ask to crique their story, telling them their character is a Mary-Sue is not an easy thing and a lot of people end up asking, "Well, how can I tell them? They'll be heartbroken!"

On the other end, you'll have friends who give you a story, and say they want you to tell them what you think when that's not what they want at all. They just want you to sit there and worship them and their writing skills. That case can be worse at times, as if you give them the honest truth...on an old forum I was on I made this mistake, and the girl proceeded to make my life hell there until I just quit. But she'd already chased almost everyone I liked by then, so I didn't care much.

So you have to figure out which one you're dealing with. And if the latter, how to not read the story, if at all possible. Even if you read and lie, you're friend may and probably will tell you all the details you never wanted to know about their Sue.

Mary-Sue's do have a place. Having your own Sue can be fun. Just often, they are misused and end up spaming the internet full of cruddy boring fanfiction that makes you want to go back to your school books.

I have my own Sueish character, her name is Kit. She stays in a private roleplay between a friend and I, and I asked her if it was okay for me to make a character that way and she agreed. I really do enjoying roleplaying a Sue. But I'm not going to write fanfiction and put it up on the web, or use her in a public roleplay.

Having a panal though to go over major uh-ohs and bad stuff in fanfiction would be a lot of fun. There's been nothing quite like the fanfiction where Cloud went with his gay lover Reno, to ask a doctor why he couldn't have a baby. He was informed that he was infertile, and it was impossible to do so. Cloud was absolutely shocked.

Your right Lothlin we should.

Mike, I know what you said, but out of the people I asked they'd be interested in going to this, and it's seems an idea that people like, if there wasn't this much interest I'd go with what you've said. I think this as a panal would have a lot of potential, and be one that while people could vent, also help out unsteady fanfiction writers (or those wanting to break it gentely to their friends).

Please Mike?

Yeah. I really wouldn't be interested in ripping apart mary sueish kids, because that's generally not worth it, but suggestions. *shrugs* There's no point in repeating it, Yuffie pretty much said it all.

Up to you. I'm all for it (but it totally would be fun, Yuffie <3)

Alright, I'll add it to the list of potential panels.

Just be sure to keep things at the college level with this. This is a con where we assume people know the stuff they are supposed to know, so keep away from the basics!