My favorite FPS is probably Battlefield 2. It's really open-ended and you can pick what you like and are good at, instead of having to follow a strict story, or hope that you can get to the rockets in time. It's also really well balanced, so on one thing is better than any other.

balance won't do shit for a game thats terribly made. Anywho, no matter how much patching they do it will be always be 'CS with vehicles' n00bfest.

Lilith, stop being so insitent on imposing you needless elitism on others!

well at least he didn't say halo or CS, then i really would have had to... "purge" him.

Dude don't dis Halo. I'll admit Halo 2 had a good deal of problems like playing as Arbiter and the unbalanced plasma sword and from what I have heard a shitload of n00b kids crapping up xbox live but all that aside Halo 3 shall own. In case you have not read the current EGM it has a 17 page preview that gives us a look at Halo 3's multiplayer and some weapons/maps/new features.

Marathon 2: Durandal. Game was incredible, and had the best/deepest storyline of any FPS I've ever played.

Quake 4; mind, this is only because my school has a lab with an assload of alienwares, and when you get about twenty people playing it in the same room and there are obscenities flying all over the place, it's total sweet chaos.

....for the most part, I play RPGs and strategy stuff anyway, so, when I do an FPS it's generally just to screw around and blow the shit out of things XD

Are you retarded? Battlefield 2 is an amazing game! What's horribly made about it, and how is it at all like counter-strike? Re-spawning, start with weapons, headshots don't randomly kill you, vehicles. It's nothing at all like CS exept that you shoot people online.

I need to add Deus Ex, and Gears of War. Gears is awesome.

...and time to rip you all apart here...

first order, halo is n00b garbage, always has been and always will be. There is nothing even competitive worthy about it. No movement to speak of which in turn means that accuracy isn't a big deal. The pickups in halo were crap designed to work well in single player but are horribly made for multiplayer. Also there is no timing involved at all with really anything. Halo is essentially tick-tac-toe online, there's nothing to it. Halo 3 will still be the same unless they decide to not suck off scrubs.

lol rpb for going classic

Lothlin, switch to quake 3 or ut. It will be much more fun, trust me.

sniper, do you know how many patches it took BF2 before they even had the trace function reliably implemented? When you answer that question then i'll talk. Until then shut up and listen your superiors.

Dude, have you even played Halo?
Some of that may be true of Halo 2, but Halo had a great multiplayer, and yes... timing was a major factor.

Q4 is what we have installed in the labs, else I would. There's Counterstrike and Half Life 2 up there as well, plus a ton of mods for all of them, so really, what I end up playing is generally what everyone else is playing. And Q4 is generally what's going on.

your poor soul, having to play q4, i feel sorry for you

I tend to enjoy at the moment Rainbow Six:Vegas for my FPS needs. Gears of War some will debate if it's FPS or Third Person, but overall it's what I enjoy when I want to shoot other folks. Battlefield series has always been fun to me when I just want to run around and shoot folks or steer a jeep into someone.

I'm looking forward to the Moblie Suit Gundam: Operation Troy game for the 360 in the future. It seems to play like battlefield but in the gundam universe. For me that will be enjoyable

I never worry about if a game takes skill or not, the whole point for me is to have fun and as long as i'm having fun I don't care what skill level the players are that i'm against.

Lilith's Dark Shadow I think you have problems and need to stop bashing the Hell out of something just because it is not your favorite thing. I might not play DDR but I don't tell those who do play their game is garbage. I will be the first to admit Halo and Halo 2 have many problems but a large part of what gets me is not the game but its tone(mainly Sgt. Johnson and the UNSC Marines) and the sweet sci fi universe its set in. So lighten up and learn to enjoy life and maybe realize that not evey game will be perfect but that you should be thankful for every good one that comes along.

....All I'm good for in halo is blowing the living shit out of things with rockets.

oh i am thankful for every good one that comes along, considering how far and few between they are.

...now here's an analogy for you, imagine how DDR players would feel if someone started making a variant of DDR in which there is only one button to stomp on, and it was suddenly all the rage. Imagine how all the original DDR players would feel. All the work and skill they put into their game and suddenly there is this new garbage out that puts everything they've done to waste. They'd be pissed off, and they'd damn well be vocal about it.

Now, to make it worse, this new DDR has competitions, worth money, more than any competition on the original DDR ever saw. Now they're outraged because someone made a game that appealed to the lowext common denominator and suddenly people are interested in providing money for these no-name skilless bastards to win. Do you have any fucking idea how insulting that is to the people who actually had to work to get where they were. No you don't, because you're one of the bastards who hopped on the one-button bandwagon. I will never shut up about it because i happen to be from the 'original 4 button' camp.

Good luck coming up with a rebuttal to that, you'll need every bit of it.


p.s. halo's backstory and setting are rather bland and uninspiring when put up against the rest of the sci-fi out there, but then again, you probably couldn't deal with a book that didn't spoon-feed you what was going on.

Half-Life for me.

The warthogs in Halo had the wackiest physics ever. But it was fun. We would have two guys play chicken, flip one up in to the air, and have a guy on the ground shot it with a rocket. It took us a while to perfect it. But it was totally worth it.

OK man you can dis games and my tase in them but my reading skills man you crossed a line. I have read a rancor sized shitload of science fiction over the years and most of it was halfway decent.

I have read damn near all the Star Wars Expanded Universe has to offer and I hunger for more. I have read the classic works of H.G. Wells one of SF's founding fathers. I have read ass kickin' works like Ender's Game and even better Starship Troopers. Not to mention the bitchin' cyberpunk works of William Gibson.

Guess what nerf herder? This is just a small fraction of the things I have read. If you wish to count things more in the ream of science fictions cousin fantasy I got that realm of the nerd universe covered to. Having read classic Tolkien and Hell even Baum's pioneering work in the genre. Moorcock's writings about the albino Drangon Prince and the main pimp of the multiverse Elric. Jim Buthcher's pretty sweet Dresden Files novels and his Furies of Calderon books. All this just off the top of my head.

Plus if you want to count other fine works of literature I have read Homer's Epics of the Trojan War, Virgil's poem of the Trojans hardships and founding of Rome, Dante's Inferno, Beowulf, various other assorted myths and ledgends. Hell I even stop in the local comic book shop on occasion to check in on what Earth's Mightiest Heros the Avengers are up to.

So why don't you go toss the Arbiter's salad you gorram goblin fucker and after that how about you chew a blaster bolt.

p.s. Captain Keyes died for Your sins.

haha, i love it when i do that its nice to actually be on a forum where its possible to make the llamas go apeshit.

though no matter how much you read it's not going to improve your ability to judge quality at all, and you made your expertise in that area quite clear already.

p.s. kid, listing everything you've read doesn't mean crap, especially because if you can remember everything you've read, you haven't even begun to lick the bottom of my boots.

Hey Steve, how about shutting the fuck up and quit acting like a jackass?

If you can't play nice with people like Smokie who have been here a long time before you, and who actually have interesting and meaningful input then go pick fights on someone elses forums.

I expect better from a club member.

H.G. Well's is kick ass.

Hate to rain on your moment of administrative glory, Mike, but smokie has only been here about a month.

That said, I agree- If you can't be a little more civil about this, just stop. We may be pretty easygoing, but there are limits.

PS: Feeding trolls is tantamount to being one. Good points have been made on both sides of the argument, but things said in anger or stupidity mean far less to anyone who actually cares about the subject matter at hand.

Addendum:

To everyone involved: If you can't argue on topic, shut up. This isn't about who can make more grammatical mistakes while talking about fantasy books. If you can't remember what the rest of the world is talking about, look at the thread title.

Feeding the troll aside, is it bad that my inner geek not only squealed in happiness at Smokie's use of the phrase Nerf Herder, it jumped for joy at the use of gorram (because Firefly=WIN)? Like. Have I crossed the bounds of dorkitude into the realm of really needs to get a life?

...and now, because staying on topic is fun, I'm going to go play one of the Jedi Knight and actually use guns instead of the lightsaber for once. Hrm. Maybe the bowcaster...

While Steve has been here way longer, Smokie is more consistantly active, having nearly as many posts in one month as Steve has in a year, and almost all of them on topic and meaningful.

And if it were a moment of administrative glory, I would have just deleted the offending posts from the get go! I would call it more of those annoying flames against flames?

When do we ever stay on topic? Fine.

I don't play first person shooters, they bore me to no end.

Anyway, H.G. Wells is completely science fiction from years ago. Not fantasy.

I would like to state that all of my posts prior to him going apeshit were on topic and completely relevent. Of course, i know you don't like them because you happen to sit closer to his camp than mine. I'm not going to "play nice" there because quite frankly i have no reason to at the moment.

I suppose it'd be better to put "professional troll" as my custom title since i will "move in for the kill" on anything should the opputunity present itself.

p.s. the following is a certified TRUE STORY



i'd hear a lot less bitching out of Wyatt if you kids were to remember this.

...I suddenly feel the urge to start quoting Monty Python or Princess Bride, but the only things that come to mind are "Your mother was a hampster and your father smelt of elderberries!" And that's not even relevant to the current situation.

Hrm. Maybe To the Pain. But I don't have that all memorized.... mostly, there's just too much anger in this thread, it could all be solved with a good round of "Every Sperm is Sacred" followed by a piratic sack of a big corporation.

SHIT, Less sugar for me!

~fixed~


and i'm sure it would do us all good

More sugar? Ahhhh, you haven't seen me hopped up on sugar. Though, I'm sure everyone will get a chance to see that at the con (or, Ohayocon, if they're going.) Give me pixie sticks and mountain dew and I'll probably end up (attempting) to do a handstand or something. I'll fall, of course. But it will be funny.

Eh, I don't have an opinion one way or another on FPS as they aren't games I play,

But I think you sound like an idiot. Not even an decent one like Charisa was. Charisa could amuse me. There was a reason to yell at her.

And I think people are making too big of a deal of your posts, they're so close-minded and lame, no one is going to change your opinion and there's no point to fight you on it anyway. I don't even know why they are responding.

EDIT:Actually, right now, your just lame enough that I'm finding fussing at you a tab bit more amusing then my paper on Education in the 1830's.

I only sound like an idiot because you haven't the slightest idea of whats going. Come back and talk when you do.

Well as if that wasn't already completely obvious. Hell, i doubt i'm even going to change their opinions, but that was never the point; never has been and never will be because that is simply not how the internet works.

I'm glad i could be of some enjoyment to you. Of course at the moment you're making yourself look a tad on the stupid side but oh well, everyone else here manages that as well.

I should just point and laugh, and that's what I did first.

You just assume that, hm? Nah, you really sound like an idiot. Your rebuttel is poorly done, you haven't even acknowleged you've played 'Halo' and when others have defended it you don't even fight fairly and state why you disagree with them, naming the aspects you don't like in detail.

It actually sounds like you just read a review and decided from that. LAME!

No, I meant your posts were lame. Sorry Smokie and Mike!

I'm still young enough to have the right to act stupid.

Now you're amusing! Damn, I should have poked you earlier if I knew you were this much fun.

my troll instincts are shouting kill.

Yet again, learn to know what you're talking about. You are clearly out of your element here and are wide open. Mike for all intents and purposes asked me to be nice here and i rather intended to follow through with it, but when you present me something easy to rip apart i can't just ignore it.

I have played Halo, and Halo 2. Should have you actually bothered to read what i have previously posted i make that quite obivious when i deconstructed the multiplayer. Afterall, what review site is going to talk about about weapon and pickup spawns times and the finer details of movement. But rather than wasting your time and having you actually look, i will tell, THERE AREN'T ANY, and on the off chance there are, they will agree with me because it will be written by someone who holds the same veiws i do. Learn to do a little critical thinking before you even try to attack me, you are in obvious need of it. Though i suppose i should apologize because you apparently have the right to be an idiot and skip over rather importnat details and all.

From one troll to another (yes, i can smell it in you), it's always fun at first. But you're far to inept at this little game to keep it going very long.

....Sorry. I had to. But seriously, can't everyone just agree to disagree? Things are more civilized that way.

thank you for being good at the internet

though i'm not very good at it though T_T my inner-troll is far to hard to control

*points and laughs some more*

Hm, Mike I asked me to do the same.

Deconstructed? You said the pickups and timing sucks. That doesn't tell me anything.

It doesn't take much thinking for me to decide you are an idiot. Though digging farther, I believe you are one who thinks himself better then everyone else as well as an idiot. Bleah.

You have no idea how long I can and will play sweetheart. We should just give in and have hate!sex right now.

This is why i said you don't know what you're getting into. This is completely outside your element so you have no fucking clue whats going on yet you pretend to. You aren't part of the competitive gaming circle, and the only way anything i say would make sense is if you were, and i have no intention of dumbing down what i say to your level.

You can act all intelligent or whatever the fuck you want, but when presented to someone who actually knows whats going on, it's quite obvious your swimming in your own shit.

Woah! Yuffies a berserker! Sweet!

Uh Isn't that what you do?

Damn kids need to learn when to keep quiet. LDS. Yuffie. Smokie. You're done.

Getting back to the topic (FPS games, with an apparent highlight on a perennial pain-in-the-ass of mine, Halo)

Halo? Played it. Played it on Xbox and PC and it sucks either way. You want it in terms that you'll understand? Fine.

Movement: Atrocious. Not only is it floaty, it's sluggish. Compare it to walking in a Final Fantasy game. Since the movement is slow, skill at aim is nigh unnecessary.

Guns: Each gun in an FPS game should be engineered such that there are situations where it is useful and situations where it is not. With the exception of the starting weapon, no gun should should outshine any other over all until you get down to play style of the individual. Halo doesn't do this however. It has a pistol and it has some other guns. There are guns that are patently useless (machine gun, plasma pistol), guns that are useful if you really just can't aim at all (needler) and there's the pistol. Other guns? What about them? Oh, well there is supposedly a sniper rifle, but only if you have ammo for it (and you don't have that, now do you?). Yeah, there are other guns, but they're just varying degrees of subpar- after all, when you have the best weapon from the get-go, why would you use anything else?

Maps: Well gee, where do I start? They're ugly for one thing. Since you spend all your time looking at maps, when playing, they should be interesting enough to not be bland. This isn't difficult. Since it was originally a PC-game, one would think that at least the game would have nice high-res textures and spiffy graphics tricks, especially on the backported PC version. Nope! It doesn't even have antialiasing that works and changing resolution only elimiates some of the jagged edges, to the detriment of the textures that are already too too small. Finally, the maps are boring. They're not fun to swim around in, and they're not fun to play in. The map design plus the movement issues come together to make gameplay lacking in depth.

Story: Speaking of boring...So it's a generic story involving religious nuts, space marines, and The Chosen One. The religious nuts and the space marines resolve their differences and then the biological horrors appear. Seriously, is this an attempt to crash as many cliches as possible into a generic storyline? Oops, don't forget the superweapon and the long dead ancient race of magicians!

Vehicles: Damn, I almost forgot these. Why? Because it feels like the developers did. I have never seen such a highly touted feature that felt so tacked on and superficial. Sure, the warthog physics were fun, but the fact that you could do those things smacks of laziness or a rush job. Halo 2's warthogs didn't have this problem, so it's obvious Bungie can do it right- they just didn't for reasons that will never become clear and will never be justifiable. What's more, they don't actually add to the game play. And to think Halo was originally slated to be a Tribes-killer. Not a chance.

Yeah, I think that about covers it.

Yes. Thank you. Getting back on topic sounds like an amazing idea <33.

I do have to agree with you on most of those points, though, as I've said before, I don't play much in the way of shooter; they're not my forte. So please don't rip apart my opinion, because it is my opinion and all.

The guns really are useless, and I seriously have more fun playing that game on the silly games we set up (like, rockets with no radar so it's a trigger-happy shoot fest, or brute shot and that crappy little laser thing as our only guns to see if anyone manages to actually kill anyone else. Or hell, just sitting there for hours and trying to flip two warthogs onto the top of one base with the sticky grenades)

When a game is more fun playing stupid, messed up, bullshit minigames with it than it is playing the actual storied game, there's something wrong.

I really would like it better if it was, I dunno. Executed in a better way. Better guns, less overpowering guns, less IDIOTIC controls where it's impossible to get the sensitivity right because, not only are the XBox controllers STUPID in the first place, the game is sluggish and seems to have two sensitivy levels- grandma and WHOH where'd my cursor go?! I don't know how people manage on the XBox, the stick control is.. horrid. I know someone is going to argue with me, but I never could get used to it.

Some of that probably is the controller; I'm used to a PS3.

I'm probably rambling by now but. Eh. I'd probably have more of a point, but it's already been covered.