ANGEL

I think everyone agrees this guy would make a nice elite addition to the hero side on higher campaign levels... They could generally fullfill the purpose of being bodyguards to the lord of the land, or to protect important places for heroes.

In any case I wouldrarely picture them venturing into dungeons themselves to kill keepers, but they could.

Right, statistics..

HP: Very high ( a bit above bily )
Strength: High / very high
Armor: Average / High
Dexterity: Average
Accuracy: Average / high
Speed: Average / high

I'd say its basic melee attack should be designated as a holy attack.

It's a flyer, of course.

Some lovely white robe and celestial chest armor would look good, big-ass glowing two handed sword wielded in a single hand.

I don't think this unit should be overcomplicated and filled with spells; if you look at horny, the strongest creature in Dk1, he only had hit, slow, and speed. In a simular way, the Angel should be kept simple, but deadly effective with what he has, in my opinion.

Like one other hero unit (monk, paladin, or priestess), I feel he should be able to resurrect, but much earlier than the other hero.

I would suggest a spell list like this:

1 - Hit
3 - Resurrection
5 - Rebound
7 - Mass Heal


Mass heal would heal itself as well.

As such you get a very effective, supportive and dangerous melee unit.

Good idea, maybe a feature that Monks can summon them in battle.. and Angels can revive dead creatures...

It would be a good challenge in the later levels.
Maybe make em unconvertible as they just explode with light on death and vaporize.

If you go with my idea of getting dark angels by sacrificing regular angels, you would have to make them catchable but not convertible by torture.

The idea behind this being: Angels are holy creatures sent from heaven and no earthly torture technique could possibly harm them. The dark gods can directly torture their souls. :)

I think that's a good idea. That way if an enemy keeper get's a hold of your angles, they won't be able to essentially steal them off of you.

Angel is nice, it should be Overworld only(gives it a reason why you don't see them in the other DK's).

an Angels ground is the Holy ground which would be the Overworld, but Angels would be the Elite of Heroes, right?

Of couse. The only thing better would have to be the avatar itself :)

since the King is dead, that only really leaves the next one up...God? :shock:

I would assume so, they counterpart the power of a dark-angel though so it would logically seem so too. As for the overworld only, makes perfect sense. Great idea.

hmm...using Dark Angels is nice but not always a good way in my opinion.
Perhaps Dark Angels should be Deep underworld only to.

meaning that a Dark Angel and an Angel would never do battle with one another(the obvious winner I'd say would be the Angel). :P

But if someone did want DA's and A's against one another they can make a map when this is released :D

Dark Angels and Black knights were the main two new creatures to DKII and they were the most powerful things in the game...kidna ruined the game in my opinion.(But that may of been because the game was rushed)

The angel is more of a supporting warrior with high health and some holy spells. The dark angel is more of a curse dealer with insane attack but not as high health.

The Angel should be able to beat the Dark Angel a lot easier than anything else.

Every Hero's creature counterpart should be easily beaten by if they were to be in a 1on1.

Now when I got back to my better computer and had some free time, I drew some scetches.

Basically IMO people think angels as women, but in DK I see them as men. Of course women-angels could be nice, but there is already the fairy.

Anyway... Angels could look like something like this.


Those pictures are quite crappy but you can see some details. Should the angel have chest plate or not? What about the size of the wings? Dark angel had quite little wings but the model was so low poly.
I also agree with sword as a weapon for angels.

It would be cool if the head of the angel could glow. Like representing the holyness of the angels.

Here's also picture of woman-angel. What do u like of her?



I'll have this computer, scanner and photoshop for few days so I can draw more pictures. Just tell your opinion of the look of this 'creature'.

good idea to add the angel to the heroes. angel in dk3 could be like the stone knight in dk2, rarely to see, impossible to convert, turncoat, make into chicken, and impossible to be killed by normal creatures. BUT possible to be killed by dark angels, because they are dark gods, also possible to be killed by horny.
yes, dark angels cant enter the overworld, and angels cant enter the underworld, the question is, how can they kill each other then ? i think there should be a mission in the campaign, where you have to destroy the magic anti-dark-angel field of the overworld, after that dark angels can enter the overworld and battle angels. in following missions angels try to restore the holy anti-dark-angel field, and you have to stop them.
i dont think angels should be stronger than dark angels, they should be same. like the black knight and white knight in dk2.

@shadow of beetle, very nice pics :O :D i like the holy circle over the head idea.

I personally dont like the idea of Angels or Dark Angels. Too much religion can make this game a bit questionable.

The game isn't about being unholy, it's about just being evil. Besides, we really shouldn't need to keep pulling in such divine entities fior a mere battle between demons and surfacers.

At Dilas, I think unholy is just another word for evil. This isn't really religion either. The angel is just an immortal being that is born out of pure holy goodness. The dark angel is an immortal underworld being who is born out of pure evil.

dk2 has dark angels, is it questionable too ?
i dont think if someone plays dk3 and thinks "oh this game is like a religion game", you can find angels in many games and no one says its religion.
evil = unholy
(d)evil (unholy) <-> god (holy)

This isn't about religion ya'spoonsickle. :P

They're just creatures devoted around 'God' or holy/unholy 'Gods'.


I like the idea of Angel and Dark Angel overall.
but the Angel should always be able to beat the Dark Angel.

hmmm, not sure if I personally like the look of those sketches.

I liked the idea of silken white robes flowing down to bare feet best with golden or silvery locks of hair, and heavy chestarmor. And I personally think heroes of might n magic 5 had the best angel look I have seen so far in any game:

http://www.fileshack.com/images/finclude/i...05_HOMM5_17.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5541/hommvangel7vg.jpg

http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroe...o_Angel_128.jpg

http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroe...chAngel_128.jpg

But that's just me :P

i dont rly like them. they remind me on wow, its like gay style. i dont see fighters in them, although one has a sword. :P
i prefer the first pics from other guy.

If we have a dark angel in the game then I don't think it's a good idea to make an angel too. Just 1 angel-type creature.

if you read the whole topic you might change your mind.
we developed a nice idea in that the 2 angels have a good act.
angels > hero gods who only fight for the good
dark angels > keeper gods who only fight for the bad.
when they meet its dangerous :D

Oh so the dark angel is like Horny from DK2? Then what happens to Horny? I'll just read the topic and find out. :D

no he is not like horny :P
horny will stay horny for all dk parts :P
dark angel just may be the strongest dk3 creature again (i guess)

So the angels are like a heroes' version version of Horny or are actual creatures?

i dont know, i think they should be like the version of hero horny or like the version oh hero stone knight. no one agreed to this yet.

Many evil creatures has their 'good brother' in the hero side. Eg warlock - wizard, rogue - thief, black knight - knight... So why shouldnt there be angel?

I think angel will only be a strong hero unit. Used mostly in later campaign levels.

The dark angel is a special unit because it taks so much time and resources to attract them. It shouldn't have an equal for this reason. Plus, the heroes get special units like the king and royal guard so the dark angel is your only advantage.

How about those?

These are from the old pokemon series (I know, it's lame ^^) but it'd fit. The angels use armor with full helmets without eyeslits, so they won't have to see the evil they're fighting.

Of course they'd have to be changed a bit to avoid copyright stuff.

Angel 1
Angel 2

dark angel is not the only advantage of keeper, the keeper still has horny ;) :P
and the stone knight could be replaced by angels, so it would be same.


oh noo, i dont like this angels, they have too much things on them, its overdone. dk3 angels should look more simple, not 100 wings, not 10 swords. i even dont see their face.

That's more what i'm thinking ;)

Nice Diablo 2 capture :)

yes, tyrael hm ? he looks cool.

I like the look of both the heroes of might and magic 5 and diablo 2 styles of angels. I could happily see something similar in dungeon keeper, but only similar, not "thats from heroes 5/diablo 2" recognisable. It needs its own dungeon keeper look to some extent, unless you were to go with the traditional sandals and toga look which would also work in it's own way.

In any case they should look distinctively beautifull I feel... Not overly muscular - yuck - but rather proportionate and gracefull. Their strength would come from Magic, not their muscles.

I think a toga clothing a skinny human with a halo sounds good. It is a bit humerous: a little human runt kicking everything's ass

Aside the fact that he only looks like a skinny human but under the toga he is bristling with holy energy :)

And whats the next hero? Jesus? :lol:

No, that's not possible, since Jesus never existed ^^

Exactly ;)