I think you should add tiebreakers to some of the categories so everyone isn't simply knotted up at #1. Everything that scores on a percentage could be sub-scored on katamari size. The same goes for boards like Cowbear and Fireflies. This could combine some user-made challenges into the main board- like Cowbear and Firefly diameter.

It wouldn't take much for everyone to go through and get their sizes.

Just a thought.

Well, the main scoreboard stays as it since that is what the game itself scores for each of those levels. Since that's what is scored in the game, that won't change. But I'm always up for adding in more score categories. I don't want to mess with what the game records as it's records. I feel that should be left undisturbed. I wish there was a better way to do it(the setup and layout) but there's not much I could do without a full out katamari site.

Also if you think about it, the levels that are scored on percentage, some of them anyways, have set items so you couldn't base it on size as everyone would have the same size.

But like I said, I'm up for more categories if you folks want them. :cool

Well, the cowbear stage scores you on whatever item you get (from tiny to huge), yet you only rank for people who get the cowbear. But you score the firefly stage on scores other than dazzling, which is that stage's equivilant of the cowbear.

So far(as far as I can remember) no one has submitted anything lower than the cowbear otherwise I would have included it.

There are two firefly lists, one for size, and one for rank. :smirk

Actually, on many boards you are ranking on size/speed that isn't mentioned anywhere in the King's instructions for that board. Take, for example, the basic Make a Planet levels. These levels have a specific size (be it 15cm or 500m) to reach within a specific time, but you rank people on how big they can get (or how fast they can reach a certain size) even though being able to get bigger than the goal isn't specifically encouraged (although it is allowed). I don't see why this is different than, say, ranking Cowbear by size. I could see if it didn't record your size for Cowbear, but it does. You might not be able to see it when you select the level, but it shows you when you finish the level.

Agreed. Some levels, like Hansel and Gretel, have no extra stuff beyond the stuff to pick up. But the Zoo level has tons of extra stuff that adds to size (aside from the animals), so you can definitely break ties by ranking 100% by size.

The king says to go faster and bigger so that's how it's scored. :shrug The king encourages you to keep going and to do better. That's not really the case with teh 100% levels beyond getting 100%.

You hit your 15cm, the king says to keep making it bigger. You reach one time, the king says to go faster. When you do a level like the zoo, the king doesn't say to get bigger, he says to get more animals, etc...

there is a cowbear size on the scoreboard...

For set goals in levels such at the zoo, those are the only parts that will get scored within the main scoreboard. If users want side boards to do that kind of stuff, say size in zoo, then that's fine with me. But it's not going to determine tiebreakers in levels that ask for 100% of whatever. If it's not the set goal of a level then there's no need for it to determine who should be ranked higher.

If you want side-scoreboards, that's fine with me, but I'm not messing with the main one. How the game scores you is how it will be. But I am open to adding in more categories for other challenges if people are interested in it.

Edit: I don't see what the big deal is in having to break up the 100% ties, that's what the game ranks you on, why base an item collection level on size for the main board?

I hate to say this because it's going to sound mean, but, the scores you're so worried about ranking are already ranked, Sully. The top person on the list was the first to submit the 100% score, and the bottom person was the last. I realize this is "unfair" to people who get the game later, or (like me) have very little playtime, or find this board later, but... 100% is 100% is 100%. Who cares how big you get on those levels?

I forget if I actually ever posted when vix asked about expanding the board to include things like # of food and firefly size, etc, but I was against that idea, too. The only "extra" score I've submitted was a fluke from when I showed a friend how silly the snowman level was...

Meh, my two cents.

That's why the extra scores are not included into the main part of the scoreboard, because they are extra.

I've thought about taking all the scores that have % and just alphabetizing those that got 100% for it would be a little more fair...

Using the alphabet to determine who is on the top isn't fair... I say you should leave it alone, its not like it isn't fair. I just look at the % level scores to see who has 100%, the way I see it is everyone who has 100% is equal in rank.

My opinion... :yes

i must at least say the name of this topic really cheered me up this morning!
people keep telling me to shave and seeing this was just weird.
thanks.

about posting order, first come first placed is better than alphabetical.

I have a suggestion, but it's completely different from what other people are suggesting on this topic, hope that's okay. But, how about adding the completion times when you hit the desired goal on the ALAP special stages, like school, underwater or racetrack for example? If people wanted to add scores, they could easily do so as the completion times show up on the Cosmos screen, if I remember correctly. Only if other people want it added though.

Then as for the 100%, I say leave it as it is, it is still an accomplishment to hit 100% on something, no matter how late you do it in my eyes (Of course, this is coming from the girl who's last on a lot of 100%'ed scores :heh ).

I have thought about completion times for the themed levels...but I need interest from people for that. I added in the other categories and no one's really used them, I don't want to add in another section and have it not get used. But I'm all for it if people want it.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse with a wet noodle, but I don't think that ranking the Cowbear or Firefly stage by size is any different than the way you are currently ranking the Campfire and Sumo stages. The goal for the Sumo stage is to roll up the wrestler, right? And the goal for the Campfire stage is to light the campfire. But you guys are pushing the limits to see how large you can get on these stages within the alotted time
and the rankings on the main scoreboard (not in user-suggested challenges) reflect this. Look at all the competition that has come from ranking the Campfire and Sumo stages by size, competition that might not exist of the scoreboard simply showed who completed the objective.


I'm just trying to clarify my point, Vix. This is your site and I wholeheartedly expect you to do things your way. Keep up the good work.

Because that is the point...you are not meant to stop ever level when you reach the goal, the king asks you to keep going, to keep making it bigger and bigger is my point. He asks you to roll up the sumo guys, so if everyone stopped at the specific size it takes you to win, then everyone would have the same score and be ranked number 1, same goes with the fire scores, if we all stopped when we were able to light it on fire, we'd all have the same scores.

Everyone would be ranked 1 then.

The cowbear is ranked on how the game ranks it: by item.
The firefly is ranked on how the game ranks it: by light.

The campfire is ranked on how the game ranks it: by size.
The Sumo is ranked on how the game ranks it: by size.

If it were true that the game's goal was to only roll up the sumo's and to only light the fire then it would not record you max size, it would do like it does in the cowbear or paper cranes, etc.

It would give you a set score but it doesn't so that's what goes on the scoreboard. If the game stopped scoreing you after you rolled of ozeki or whatever and said roll up in the screen before you make a planet, then that would be what is on the board.

I'm not trying to argue or anything, just saying my point, heh.

As far as I'm concerned, a cowbear is a cowbear, dazzling is dazzling, and 100% is 100%. For a further breakdown, there's the "extra" stuff already listed in the scoreboard, near the bottom, where you try to make the largest katamari possible in the cowbear stage (good job on that one, BTW Sully), or firefly stage, or crane, flower, friend, etc.

The goal for the campfire level is to make the largest chunk flaming garbage that you can, then light the campfire. The king congratulates you when you get big enough, so size is obviously important on those levels. But he doesn't say anything different whether you barely scrape by with the cowbear or hit 10m. It doesn't matter how big you are as long as you get enough fireflies to be dazzling.

The game rewards you for getting bigger on certain levels and not others. That's why they're listed that way on the scoreboard. All the information you want is already on the scoreboard! It's just not complete, since not everyone has listed their cowbear size or their firefly size. The whole idea of those challenges in the game is that they're not about size! Even remotely! I see no reason for us to "require" (or even suggest) size information for something that the game doesn't reward you for at all.

As for the dead horse, it's four days dead and it stinketh. Bury the noodle and step away from the corpse.

End note: sorry if the tone comes across a bit harsh. I'm not trying to berate, but I know a lot of people spent long times getting their 100%, or dazzling, or cowbear, and I think everyone who did it deserves an equal ranking.