I just cant stand it anymore even my religious freinds are starting to turn aginst me, yesterday 2 christians just out of nowear started to harass me into beliving in god and such and when I told them god is full of crap and such my catholic freind started defending them it was a freaken 3 on one I couldnt win that, its just going to far and I dont know what to do anymore, please help

And you just realized that?...

It has been that way for centuries now. Humans fight over religions, because they believe in what they believe in. They think their religion is "the right one". Like in your situaution, others make fun of those who do on believe in their regligions. It's not right, everyone knows that, but do they still do it? Yes. All the religions have taught people to "live in peace". Humans simply cannot do that. Sometimes, they want to show others how their religion is the best so much that they would forget the simple rules of religion. It's a sin. How can they possiblely say they are religious when they don't even understand the meaning of peace?...

Boy, no matter how much you hate religions or don't believe in them, you can't say "God is full of crap". Yes, respecting the religion. If you don't want to respect the religion because you don't believe in it, fine. But at least, respect those who do. They believe in god, and they want you to respect their believes. It's okay to let them "win". Really, it doesn't matter. NEVER again say that "God is crap" in front of people like that. It's disrespectful. I am no religious, yet, I think it's very insulting for you to say that.

Religions were first born to make us happy, to "maintain" peace. However, that purpose only lasted for a while. Religions begin to betray humans, mainly because, humans went against the rules of it.

It's always like that, because this is life. Just got to deal with it.

I lost control when I said that even though I mean it with all my heart I really do!, if that jerk exists im going santanist, but I seriously doubt he does, but im tired of it, I already realized how aweful ''religious'' people are but its just going to far its got twice as worse at my school

Everyone has their own beliefs, if you're against those that's fine, but again it's THEIR life, and THEIR belief. Let them live and continue believing in that. We err it's human , but remember there is no right or wrong, so why bother argueing a lost cause. Its a never ending cycle, come to terms with what you believe in, and be at peace. Whatever that belief may be. I know I say that word too many times in this short paragraph, its the ability to put your trust in something, beyond what you know, beyond yourself. It really shouldn't matter what others think, it shouldn't effect you or the way you live your life, thats all the help i can give.

something happend to me like that once, my freind asked me if i wanted to go to church him him and i said ill pass... he asked me why and i said i wasnt christian, and for the next week he told me about how god is good, and i was stupid to not beleive in god, but he crossed it when he said that im not a christian and im going to hell, i finnaly screamed in his face "STOP TRYING TO PUSH YOUR f**kING RELIGION ON ME!!!" that shut him up for a while

christians need to stop it, I only argue with them cause they start it

lol, in a non-offancive way

Well, in that case, there's one thing you certainly can say - "I respect your religion and beliefs, please respect mine." That's what I would say. If a Christian or anyone comes up to you and makes you want to be a part of their beliefs, just make them understand that you believe in what you believe in [[Which you don't believe in any religion]], they believe in whatever they believe in, and we should all respect each other.

Say it in a nice way, please. It hurts to hear it in a "not-so-nice" way.

Not all christians is like that. You know what's funny now that i think about everytime i go to church (which is not that often) i'm always the only one there heh. It's Just that some people always want to "Help" you and over do it in turn. The whole "You are going to hell because you are not christian" is just a way to try to get people to convert. I don't believe that's true. Some things i believe in other things i don'tand some i'm not sure on. Those commercials where they try to get you to buy the "holy water" i don't believe in that. I think that's just a ruse to get your money, however i do believed in being "Healed" by god (and i have a good reason why but i won't dive into that because you probley heard enough of that already). Even though i know to say "Get the f**k out of my face" is a harsh way to say "i don't want to hear you try to convice me to turn to your religion". I do know that's the only way sometimes to get your point across because let's face it some people won't take no for an answear.

All in all i'll just say choose your friends wisely. And there's a thin line between Friends and a person you socialize with. If they not accepting who you are then they are not your real friends. I feel like i'm forgeting something......... Oh yeah please don't put all Christians in the same boat because there's different individuals and not all of them is trying to convert you.

What Dark General said was true about not putting all Christians in the same boat. Now i feel bad for being christian. >>;

Plus, you can't say that god is full of crap in front of them. Try to respect them and not tell them that, maybe they wouldn't know that you don't believe in god and such. My religion gives me something to actually hope for (I keep hoping that one day i can go to heaven and I want to believe that my soul actually lives on and doesn't go to just some dark place) and maybe some people think like that but if you say something bad about their religion, their hopes might get crushed (As mine just had) I respect your religion of not believing in god, I swear i do. (My friend doesn't believe in god either)

Tell them that you simply don't believe in their religion and tell them that you're not making fun of it. If you believe in something, stick to it. ><; I think your friend only tries to convert you to Christian because they want to share their belief with you and not anything mean. (Because they wouldn't be your friend if they meant something mean about it)

Oh, and um... please don't say Religious people have gone too far. ><;; its like blaming some innocent people.

Believe me, Religions have a tendency to do that, and there are radicalists and non-radicalists. Though it has been said that coercion (forcing one's religion to another) is considered a sin. However, you have to respect different religion, for all of them have good qualities to them as well as bad.

And all religions had a purpose to maintain order and in the beginning, their intentions were good. I like Christianity's many symbols and cultures, though I do believe that its not a great religion morally. Islam was a great religion that was passed as bringing prosperity in the middle east, but terror the next.

Every Religion has its faults. However, even though I am not religious myself, I too would be insulted because for a long time my family was christian. I just rationalize it and it is your freedom to believe what you want, but you don't go around insulting it. Use Reasoning instead.

Yeah, even some Christians do the same thing to their own. Hell, Ukara and I are both Christian, but two different types. I'm a loose Catholic, while she is a somwhat strict Gospel. She sometimes tries to force her type of Christianity on me. For example, she says that the Bible states you have to wear long skirts if you are a girl. I do not believe that, and wear pants as much as I want. Heck, you guys would never see me wearing a skirt. When this issue comes up, she always say that if you reject one part of the Bible you reject the whole thing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

So don't worry, Religions even bully their own kind.

im sorry I didnt mean to blame the innocent christians that arent like the ones im talking about, I have a christian freind that does understand me and such anyway, I do try to tell them nicley infact I start off nicley when they dont stop thats when I get into a very angery argumentitive type.

Three against one hm? Something similar like that happened to me but I kept repeating the same things. He IS full of crap and there are no facts to back him up. U.U I tell them that and they leave me alone sometimes.
Just ignore them is all I can say to you.

its really hard to but I try V.V

*sigh* I gave you my advice find what you want to believe in and stick to it it shouldn't matter what others do say or believe in. There is no proof for nor against God, so really its all a matter of what you think and/or feel.

I did find what I belive in, I belive in nothing and im keeping it that way.

What?? I'm lost......Three agaist one??? How was/is it three agaist one??

my catholic freind and 2 other christians, 3 aginst 1...

Ouch. 3 on 1...

Like others have said, you should respect religious people and their beliefs. Personally I'm not very religious at all, but I do respect the fact that there are other people in the world with beliefs that differ from mine...most of the time anyway. And like Monchhichi said, you shouldn't say god is full of crap. I don't believe in him either but if I were you I would just either ignore those people, or say what they wanna hear. "Yeah, I agree completely."

id sooner die than agree with thos morons who try to force crap on me

If they get on you again ask them why their god allows the killing of innocent children then show them this verse.

"The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords." (Hosea 13:16 NLT)

Then show them this verse that says children are not punished for the sins of the parents.

"The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him."(Ezekiel 18:20 NIV)

Then if you want to then show them this verse that Contradicts the verse above.

"You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,"(Exodus 20:5 NIV)

Most likely this will stop them in their tracks.

you expect me to remember thos?

Well you don't have to memorize word for word just the the verse number and what each one is about. You could easily wright down the verse number and a brief description on something you have with you all the time.


I debate a lot with christians so I know a lot of these by heart. I really have no life. :D But if you want to study up so next time you can hold your end then here's a good site: http://www.evilbible.com/

Interesting Website name. And when i debate I don't like to get into religious things/sayings i don't really find it right to bring in believes and interchange it with facts. But anyway you are right Xorital to not give into them and change your opinion just to make them leave you alone. Maybe when graduate high school you might want to concsider moveing to get away from people trying to convert you all the time.

yea I already have plans to move when I graduate

Well that's a good idea Xorital.

uh huh *just 3 years to go ;)

Wow. You just started high school i take it.Well hopefully things will lighten up untill the time you graduate.

i hope so too

Yeah, try not to sterotype all christians, because some are different and respect people like me. Something like that happened to me once.

I was at my house and 2 women that were "witnessing" on our street and they came to our house. nobody was home except for me and stupid me I opened the door and they were friendly at first they were all like here is a track you need to get saved god doesn't like you if you don't become their religon. and i was like (exact words) god loves everyone so don't give me that crap. and they were started yelling and i guess praying and they were shoving their bible in my face so eventually they stopped and i was like "Okay you have one minute to get off my property or i'm calling the cops for harassment." They just stood their and prayed again so i went and got the phone and said 5,4,3,2, and they went running.

But as for me i'm more spiritual than religous, religon causes to many conflicts that's why i'm like if god said he loves everyone, than he loves everyone theirs no need for religon because their is no right religon that's why i'm spiritual

I don't like it when people knock on my door honestly to get me to change religion. One thing comes to my mind "Don't you think if i REALLY wanted to change i would have?" but that dosn't really matter does it. I think every person has a right to believe what they want to believe but not force it on others. That's usually introsive and annoying to the other party. And i don't like generilization/ stereotypes of a certain type of people be it skin color, background, or religious workings. You just can't really pin a entire group of people into any catergory based on small witnesses to events.

i can't help but find that hypocritical...... SERIOUSLY.... you piss and moan about how all of the 'christians' don't respect your opinions and stuff, and you go and post that stuff? wow. you don't have to agree with someone, but you should respect their opinions. just for the hell of saying it, i'm deeply religious, and i have never tried pushing my beleif on ANYONE. i was freinds with a satanic chick, but she respected my beleif and although i didn't agree with hers, i was able to look past it and recognize her for the person she was.
you complain about people not respecting what you have to say? try respecting them. and if they still aren't respectfull, you can at least say that you were more mature about it and such.
and you know something? my religious beleifs are CONSTANTLY being insulted, and mocked. and i have some associates that are constantly insulting me about beleiving in God. but hey, i don't run around complaining about it now do i? nor do i sit there and throw all of them in the same boat. people (in general, it goes both ways) are to bias.. if people just respected each other we'd all get along fine, but NOOO thats so d*** horrible to think about.

btw, if a christian bothers you, try and say something like this "i thought God is about love? yet you sit there and critisize me?" i dunno something like that.. jsut remind them that they are supposed to be caring to all individuals and aren't supposed to pass judgement on others regardless of what you might be "doing wrong" or whatever they're complaining about. ... i know that insulting anyones beleif just makes things worse. remind them of why they're a christian. and if they really do beleive in God and follow the bible, they'll take what you say to heart and leave you alone.
also, i only get offended by this because it doesn't seem to matter how much respect i give others, they never pay it back. i'm sorry if i offended anyone, but thats just how i feel. take me and my one friend for instance; she doesn't beleive in anything really, she's a vegetarian.
i'm really religious, i can't live without meat.
those was just SOME examples but we still manage to not get into any fights... even though, i'm constantly hearing her say, "God is f***ing stupid" and that kinda thing.. i'll admit, this one time i did kinda yell something back at her, but that was only because she wouldn't stop insulting me. and i did appologize for it afterwards.. even though it didn't make any difference..... the point is, we disagree on quite a bit.. basically everything actually.... but yet, we aren't constantly fighting.. we're getting along because we're looking pass the differences.. i dunno...i'll shut up now..
......yeah... just to let you know, i won't be posting in this topic to much so yeah.. i'm expecting to get alot of crap over this......
(also sorry about grammar and stuff)

1. I never complained that christians don't respect my opinions. Even thow you repeat the same assertion a couple times
2. Respect is earned, and I don't have to respect anyones crazzy ideas or opinions.
3. I didn't lump all christians together.
4. I'm a debater, thats what I like to do. If I just said I respect your opinions and lets not fight about them, that would be a horrible debate.
5. I was only giving some tips to a kid tired of some christians harassing him. If you really think saying "i thought God is about love? yet you sit there and critisize me?" would work then you have been sheltered from the real world kid.

you're right. you didn't lump them all together and you weren't complaining. i was venting about the people that do. i didn't really set lines in between what i was saying in response to that link thingy and what i had to say about some other people. i appologize for that, i should have been more clear about that part...

you debat, thats cool.. i've never really gotten far with that.. so, whatever works i supose. i'm more of a pacifist, so thats why i never realy got into it.

i didn't say that saying that line would work all the time.. its obviously not going to work for those pig-headed people that don't listen. .. and i wasn't realy sheltered at all .. i was just making something up on the spot.. but oh well i guess. not the first time i've made myself sound like an idiot. *what else is new >>* ....i'll just stop talking now..

Sorry to butt in but i couldn't help myself.....



1: I know you wern't saying anything of the nature of Christian people not respecting your opinions and you debate with them sometimes. But one thing dosn't exactly fit in place to bring up someone's religious workings and bring it into a arguement is kind of under handed because it wouldn't have no revelance to the arguement.... And only some people repeat things to get their point across to otherwise closed minded people.

2: Respect is earned i agree with you but it dosn't warrant a assualt on someone's believes in ANYTHING not just god or religion to just assualt them with verbal "disagreements" just because it might sound a bit out there to YOU dosn't really say much for your character...

3: you didn't lump all christians together and i respect you somewhat for that.

4: It would make for a horrible debate....... that is if she was actually looking for an altercation of some sort. I see it as only pointing out something that bothered her nothing more nothing less.

5: mmmmm, to say that particular response wouldn't work in the "real world" as you put it is a opinion of yours that i don't agree with. I've said that to a couple of people and it works, you see dealing with different people in a different environment warrents a different response. To sit here and say that she has been sheltered from your version of the "real world" is a false assumption on your part to me. Just because it might not work in your hostile envirnment dosn't mean it wouldn't work anywhere.


I thought i should just comment on that...

1. Most of the debates deals with their religion. And its not underhanded to bring up what they believe because in most topics what they are arguing for stems from their beliefs.

2. I don't go on assaults of others beliefs. Just saying someones beliefs are stupid and and going on isn't fun. Its more fun to rip their arguments to little bits and watch them go down in flames. Destroy someones beliefs with facts and logic is more enjoyable. That may sound mean to you but the others participate of their free will and most times are looking to destroy my beliefs as well. Its all in good fun. If they can't handle their beliefs being ridiculed then it really shows how they aren't that stable in the first place.

4. She was saying to me(or all of you I suppose. I have no clue who she's talking to anymore) that I shouldn't fight about peoples opinions and respect them. I am applying it to me, not her.

5. I applied her response to what the first kid is going through. I didn't say it would never work. She wasn't counting in whats really was happening. I was showing him/her a way to keep his end when they start on him.

wow its been a while since iv been here, the whole thing about people knocking on your doors thats happen to me before too, though I didnt answer cause I knew what it was about (the way they were dressed)

Wow, i didn't think you would return Xorital so how have you been?


And yes i don't like when they knock on my door, it always seems like it's when i'm trying to take a nap or when i'm doing something important....

...Do you know how many Christians can see this? Not to be mean or anything but...Quote: "god is full of crap" What the crap? I could go on forever about what you just said. Sorry but i'm a strong christian...and I believe if you insult god you won't make it up to heaven--GARUNTEED. How can Relegions go too far? Nope. Christianity is needed.... How would the world be like if no one believed in god?

I just don't know why people Don't believe in god. I'd be dead by now if he wasn't there with me through all those times... I would've died at birth, but he was there. he loves us all ~this is a message for all you who have posted in this topic~ so don't think....don't think he's not there. the only reason people die is that if....if they're...suffering... god wants to end their suffering ...in heaven...no body knows each other...heaven is a wonderful place... you guys who don't believe in god....you....you will go to hell. Hell is a place, where the Magma and the earth plates are...that's HELL. heaven is way up abouve, abouve the clouds. it's very beautiful. God cares alot about us, it's unconditional love. he doesn't like our sins, but he will always love us all unconditionally.
Don't label me after you read this paragraph....let god bless you if you agree with me on what I had just said....and let the devil throw hell upon you if you label me...I am a christian, and d***ed well proud of it.

Anyone agree with me?