okay this is old news, but it still is disturbing and angering. do you remember the video of the american soldier, being decapitated by the iraqi? well i saw it when it came out, and warning:it is very disturbing. i suggest you dont watch it for you will probably be very p**SSEd off and want to kill someone after you see it. what is you place on this video. im just curious to see what other people think. omg, it is soo horrible,

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theyjust laught while cutting each tendon on his neck, and he is sttilll alive and screaming when his head is half way off and being bent back. if i was in iraq, im sorry, i would feel no regret just bombing them, civilians and all. i mean, its hard not to feel that way right? i hate them soo much, they dont deserve to be called people. excuse the language- THEYARE SH*T ON THE BOTTOM OF MY SHOE. sorry lol. i just get sooo angry at them. i recommend that you dont watch it if you didnt already. it just gives you this feeling, first, disgust, then shock, then anger, and boy do you feel anger.

if you have seen it, tell me what you first felt. what do you guys think about everyting in iraq and stuff?

Yeah.....i dont pay much attention to the news, but yeah, war, you gotta hate it. But thats war for you, all war does is start more hatred, it doesnt really solve anything....why couldnt people learn that lesson......
So as much as i'd love to hate them for doing that, i still say nothing and nobody is truly completely negative....heh heh, maybe I'm just insane, but if i hate them that will only lead to more hatred and the great chain reaction of hatred would start back up again, just as if we attacked harder we'd just be adding more fuel to the fire......
I'm not going to say more because I really dont know much on our matter.....

Uumm... yeah... well you can't really hate them THAT much. I mean, its not THEIR fault that we Americans are storming INTO their country attempting to 'help them' and set up a 'democracy'. Well HELLO? they never wanted us to be in their to begin with! Its called oppression, honey, and many countries like us seem to do that alot.

Well I don't even get why the soldiers are still there? Because Bush is too stubborn to save their lives!
What weapons of mass destruction?
There is NONE! We should just leave them alone.

If Iraq stormed into America turning everyone muslim, then we would cause an uprise too! And we'll shoot them, kill them, slaughter them completely if they did. War will continue and so on.

You can't blame them, you have to first blame yourself first, to actually see the fault. Believe me, if they could record horrific scenes of slaughter there'd be enough to make the video company have a field day. What are our soldiers doing aside from dying? Killing people due to paranoia, fear, and ignorance? What are the Iraqi doing? Getting us out of their country because we won't leave. We both die, we both suffer, we both blame each other.

Bush goes 'Oh but if we leave Iraq to Sadam Hussein, then it might be a WWII." Well Hussein is DEAD. Iraq is a Vietnam, my dear. Its not a WWII, Its a Vietnam.

Well said, Krazy!

But one of my male Teachers fought in Iraq, (Don't worry, he is alive and well, he returned last year.) and he said that the people in Iraq were happy that they were there. But, then again, the people who usually have guns are the ones that 3rd world (No offence to anyone) countries listen and act nice to.

it just sickens me the stupidity and how the iraqians think there is glory in killing like that. im with ya all the way with this, but who bombed OUR buildings and caused THOUSANDS of deaths, just for frickin glory?? they think it is brave to kill thousands of people and take their own lives to. gosh i was only directing this to the terrorists, not the civilians. they started it ya know. we have every right to show them not to mess with a country they cant handle.Yeeah my uncle is a GENERAL so i kinda know this. he was on TV a couple times to

Dear, dear... you don't really seem to understand much. If you knew the background history then you should know that every action has a reason behind it. There once was a time during the cold war, when the United States and the Soviet Union had a bone to pick with one another.

Both countries were superpowers and they didn't have the guts to fight each other, instead, we decided to pit smaller countries against one another instead. Hence the cold war began. The Korean war, the Vietnam war, The war in the middle east, The war in Isreal all began because we stuck our noses where they don't belong.

One man's terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter my dear. Our soldiers in Iraq in some extent are terrorists too. And when a weaker country has to fend off a smaller country they can only do one thing... Guerilla warfare... They want to protect themselves from bigger bully countries like us. Obviously, they know that our help isn't really helping much.

You say they are stupid but what would you do? Seriously. The war is meaningless now, but it's Bush's own stupidity that won't pull him out of it. Also, their suicide bombing is the same with us, we shoot bombs at them and kill many civillians as well, just to achieve glory as well. They're putting up a good fight for their country as we are. We're not Iraqi so we don't understand their mentality.

No wonder other countries hate America's guts. <_<

That's just the thing though...people won't learn the lesson. As long as we live there's gonna be war...unless some miracle happened. And I'm Canadian, we're a pretty peaceful place...but I still believe what I said.

Think of the past, people have reasons to fight and hate each other. Not everybody just forgives and forgets. For every nice person in the world there is a cruel person, that's what I think.

I DO have a reason to hate the Japanese...(Though I don't hate em) But I don't feel like mentioning it. I get all angry at em when I do.

Like I said in some other topic, I'd think of more to say but I gotta get off soon.

It's hard for me to talk about the war, but I think I must. Before I go making a retard out of myself, I want to make sure you know something and understand why I might be biased. First of all, I'm probably (at least) a couple years younger and less experienced than you. Second, my parents were both in the military and one of my best friends was sent over to Iraq. So, let me try and see if this helps.

America sucks.

Iraq sucks.

These statements are both false. America is not fighting Iraq, Bush is. Bush is sending people over to fight a war no one wants. Why? Because he wants power. A very good example of greed being a deadly sin. Do you see how many lives it was cost? Same with pride. Pride is a huge factor in the war. Two deadly sins are running this war right now, which proves it has no justification.

Also, there's something a lot of people don't seem to understand. IRAQ did not bomb us. IRAQ does not want this war either. The terrorists bombed us. The people who killed the soldier were terrorists, right? Not civilians. So you can hate Iraq, but don't hate it because of the war.

You make a pretty good point though lol. Everyone knows Bush wants to be known as a "Good War president" Wow... he can be such a pompous fool sometimes. Hahaha... He's probably as bad as Nixon... or worse... depends on how you see it.

Lol to your comment about Pride and Greed fighting this war, i made this.




Fits pretty good :lol:

Lol! Nice.

Oh yeah, should've done this before, but I forgot. Gonna move this to thread to The Gate.

In truth, we really should worry about some of the people in America. I mean, we voted for Bush twice. TWICE!

When I first saw Bush on TV (Yes, I can tell what a person is like from their appearances. And 99.9% of the time I'm right too.) I knew I wasn't going to like him. And looked what happened.

I remember when the Towers got bombed. School let us out early that day and I was walking home when I saw a giant billows of smoke in the sky. I remember running home and telling Mom. It is (and most likely will be in the future) the scariest moment of my life.

In truth, we should just leave Iraq alone. Eventually the people in Iraq will get pissed off enough and finally get rid of the dictators themselves. But America just has to stick it's nose in places it doesn't belong.

Ick, Bush ruined that pic. I mean, Pride looks like a saint compared to him! LOL If he wants to be a bold war president, then how about we just toss HIM in Iraq and make HIM fight. Then maybe he'll be remembered as a war president... maybe

Speaking of memories, i wonder what our kids. (If Bush doesnt blow up the world that is) will read about our times in history books..........................i sound like an adult.........im scaring myself. But im just thinking too much about stuff today....i dont know why.

Still on the topid of memories...

9/11 was the worst day of my life. Nobody had the manners to tell me what the hell was going on. I was in 3rd grade, so I had no fricken clue that my parents were, at that very moment, preparing many of my closest friends to fight a battle nobody wanted.

Then when someone did tell me, I had no clue what they meant! The typical 3rd grader pre-9/11 in Maine DOES NOT know what the word hijackers means or what the Twin Towers are. It was a couple days when I finally figured out what was happening.

Only now do I know that everyday dozens of people-my parent included-had every real chance of getting shot or blown up. The war ISN'T WORTH IT! Honestly, is bush knew what this was doing to people....

I remember 9/11, I was in junior high, my history teacher told me about it and I'm like... "You're joking, right? The World trade Center is my favorite building in ALL of NYC." When School was over, We could still see that thick cloud of smoke... it was sickening.

I was in third grade too at 9/11. o.O;; I did understand what was going on even though i don't know what the word "hijacked" meant.
I admit, I don't like Iraq that much. >.>;; i can't believe they'd do something so evil.

I dont really know much about this seeming as i didnt take the time to read all of it.. but a few thigns i would like to point out..

It is true we have been in iraq along time ago and it is true they never asked for help, But. remeber they had a dictator that they feared. Do you think they would ask for help with that much fear on them? also it is true we do this alot, but also you ahve to remeber the last time somthing like this happend adn we went in to help, we pulled out to fast and another dictator went right back in. If we pull out to fast the same could happen again. they need stable government and such before we can really leave, which may taek a while. Also no one really likes us anyway we went to asia for the tsunami and they were like "thx for the supplies now leave" they werent so nice. i dunno thats just an observation..


and yeah we voted for bush twice. but then again look at the other options..not so good of selections anyway, no offence to anyone.. But this will cause a slide and for the next few years we will probably have alot more democratic Presidents..

Unless you haven't noticed all countries hate the U.S now lol. They all think we're idiots, and sometimes our government does the dumbest things which is true. But even so, we shouldn't meddle in other country's affairs. It always led to more criticism and more pain for both sides.

Hahahaa... i remember when my cousin went to Korea to visit. They made fun of him cuz he went to America... anyway they were like 'Oh wow, Americans can pay to fight a stupid meaningless war, but they can't pay for the damages of a hurricane. How sad.'
It is sad... lol.

I mean seriously... Clinton wasn't a good president either but he left us a HUGE surplus of money in the government budget, the highest in history. That's why taxes weren't as high and stuff but WOW, Bush used it ALL up on stupid things like Iraqi war.
There is no nuclear weapons, we killed the dictator now GET OUT OF THERE! If you don't, a dictator will come ANYWAY. You opress a country, then a dictator WILL rise. It's happened in WWII, Vietnam etc.

Now cuz of Bush, we have the HUGEST debt. How did our highest surplus become the hugest debt?! It's ABSURD! We're going through another DEPRESSION. And becuz of the war Oil costs sky rocketed! Where do we get our oil supply? The middle East of course! All the countries like Iraq, Arabia etc, they have the OIL! You call a war on them, then no oil for us! YAY!

<_< Its all so stupid, its all so sad.

As said by Royal Canadian Air Farce:

"A poll has shown that 8 out of 10 of countries near U.S.A. would rather have Kerry instead of Bush as the President. As a result, Mr. Bush ordered the bombing of 8 out of 10 nearby countries." :lol:

Anyway, anyone else think that Bush might just suddenly...I dunno...consider China a threat and well...attack them? I don't mean to be offensive or anything, but I do know that China is growing fast economically (I think) and apparrently has been making their army larger, so I've heard...from an unreliable source anyway.

Yeah its true, china has surpaced us economically and they have way more population, they would be a huge threat IF they wanted to be, for alot of our things are made in China, they have like 3x as many people and they know it XD. But also if you look at it the other way..alot of their people would be out of a job and probably they would crash...I dunno

yeah i remember 9/11 i was in fourth grade. omg it was horrible my ss teachers daughter worked in the EXACT floor it hit! and when she found out all us fourth graderss saw was our role model screaming crying and all the teachers escorting us to another class room. honestly it was so horrible. it turns out about one hour before it hit, she was transfered to a lower level, and she was alright. just to make one thing clear, you guys are kinda making it seem like im only seeing the war one way. well my uncle was constantly in iraq and he was even on sixty minutes (it was weird seeing him in iraq on tv) NE way, i can see how difficult it is for a soldier to go into iraq and i feel many ways about the war. i wrote the message right after i saw the disturbing video. and you know how it is, right after i saw it i felt one emotion rushing through me-anger. actually my uncle is almost a general . thats like THE highest you can go before like president. lol. cant picture that. anyway he has a son thats an eagle scout and you can tell that means so much to him! i was at his eagle scout ceremony today actually. its really amazing to see how the war affects lives. he was there for over a year. believe me its really tough, its amazing how he pulls through though, he is a role model to me.

wow that can be tramatizing, seeing your ss teacher screaming and crying right there... :(, im not trying to be funny but her expresstion must have been like..., igrore the words(i couldnt find the original pic before i put the words on but it did seem like it fit the expresstion you descibe perfectly

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dont come at me like i dont know about the war. my uncle is in the highest military branch EVER besides president. he is a general in iraq so give him credit at least.

its horrible how people kill eachother to solvce difforences, its stupid, its just gonna cause more strife and rancor if all this continues and probly end the lives of humans all together...we dont know

They were already oppressed and tortured. They did not and still do not know the meaning of freedom. It'll probably take at least another generation before they know what freedom is. They have spent their whole life being opressed and now that they are free, (in their mind, they are .. I would say.. are still oppressed because they're not used to thinking for themselves and know how to help themselves basically.

Only most likely their children's children will truly know what freedom is because they will have the chance to be raised that way. Because these people have been oprressed for so long that they cant just learn to be free and think for themselves overnight.


(I don't know if someone already in any way commented you on this, but I just had to reply like.. quickly ya know?)

Its one thing to be opressed by a dictator, but its a whole new thing being opressed by OUTSIDERS. That completely shatters the pride of their own country (or what's left with it anyway). Dictator = bad, but
Outsider Americans in a country that an entire POINTLESS war with Casualties on BOTH sides = Even worse.

<_< War is pointless, but for some reason this world can never stop. Hence, humans will one day destroy each other... Oh wait, TOO LATE XD

its pretty much our fate, its gonna happen

Does America tell people how to worship, who to worship, where to live, where to work, what to wear, etc.?

Does America torture their own people?

Does America land nuclear bombs on their own country?


In that country, their justice is that even when a woman supposedly cheatd on her husband (which there, they don't need proof, just a "witness" to say so if she did or not, and they could be lying as well.. which is in the same concept as in 'The Crucible.') the people there who have enough power to, can tie her to the back of a truck and drag her around however they please when a bag is placed over her head. Then when they're done, they stop and blow her head away with a gun. That is "cleansing" the family that she supposedly "betrayed". That is justice there.

You think they are worse off now that we are there and providing a lot of them with the help they need?

If anything, America has sacrificed.. Our young men and women in the army, military, etc. die in this process of protecting our home that we live in. They die helping those people who we are at the same time against, as well. A lot of people there are actually happy that our soldiers are there.


And I agree with you on one point. War is pointless. But the human mind is the most evil and corrupted thing in the world. Human beings started this, and it's in us, the human mind's choice, how to end it.

I can understand what your getting at but without war we wouldnt need a d*** military!

war is inebidable (Sp?) we are humans, humans are flawed, and make mistakes, make enemies and friends.

Also, Peace..peace is a dream of philosophers and Dreamers, thats all it is, a dream it is impossible, a goal we all strive for but will never achieve due to our human elements. Especially World Peace, I think its quite optimistic to think we can achieve it, but also quite idiotic, it is impossble. You can put the 3 best of friends together, forever, making decisions and such.. they are bound to argue. you think we can acomplish it with a city? county? state? Country? and even World? No. I dont, sorry.

War, yes it is pointless bloodshed, but it is very important, it teaches us, shows our mistakes and how to learn from them and fix them. Also to avoid it. But, if you dont learn from it, history is doomed to repeat itself, over and over, until somone realizes the pattern and figures out what the problem is.

Militarys are vital, because people will be people. the hole reasons of civilizations weren't so everyone could "live in peace and harmony. yay. lets help each other" no, they were created so they could gain power, take over others and control them, so wars could be won in not only strength but numbers.

If we never had the urges to fight others, civilization wouldnt be what it is, people would live where they wanted..

and if you want to get ever more down to it, unfortunatly violence is important to the world also, without it chaos could break loose thousands of time more than it does now, violence casues fear, which in turn forms respect, a child puts his hand in the fire, will he do it again? in most cases not, he has learned to respect the fire in fear of it burning him.

sorry, this was random and probably not understandable, but..yeah Crashing down on war blindly was kinda annoying to me, but then again, right now im being kinda heartless and one sided, sorry. War is more important than you come to think somtimes, its not stupid, things do get acomplished, but everything is at a cost. Everything, you just have to determine is the cost worth it, somtimes it is, some times its not, i dont think its so easy on the people in charge to call for war, either, so...yeah

Well it is true that Peace is pretty much impossible. The whole world is balanced on two factors: Liberty and Order.

Having ALL liberty leads to Anarchy, which most people fear. Without Order, people will murder, steal and do all kinds of terrible things with no one to do anything to stop it. And Order leads to loss of rights and Dictatorship.

When you place a line in the middle: People complain that they have too much order and lack of rights OR, not enough order. Then people complain to the government. So what is Peace? No such thing.

They were opressed by a dictator, that much is true. But they had no weapons on mass destruction, and the middle east already had set up the line that they didn't want other countries to mess with their affairs. *the cold war destroyed their home to begin with*
And they accepted their way of life, eventually they would overthrow the dictator if it went too much out of hand.

But sometimes when a country is struck with disaster *Cold war of Russia and the U.S using the middle east as their battle ground* A country in complete anarchy, and the fact that their country was torn completely leads them to the necessity of a dictator, or communism *like in Vietnam where Communism would actually do more good than bad*

All in all. We have a tendency to repeat problems in the past. Like Germany turned to Hitler during their time of Anarchy. The world is messed up... and I gues it'll just stay that way. War is a nightmare... but Peace is just a dream that covers up the nightmare... making War all the more harsher.

yeah.. but also you could look at it in a way, we are making up for our mistakes, I mean, its kinda like a person with major problems denying help, even when its needed. does the friend back off and let the other suffer? or persist to try and make things better? especially if they are the cause..

Yes. and besides. War has been here since the beginning of time. It's unavoidable and there will probably be more to come. But maybe not, since because we are learning from our mistakes and discovering new ways to resolve problems.

But some people just want power from behind a weapon and nothing else. And sometimes no one can change that.

learn from our mistkaes???, my friend history is repeating itself, I study history I know, lots of history has been repeating recently and geroge bush isnt learning from it nor is anyone else!, war is pointless and doesnt teach ignorant war mongrals a thing.

It's why I said maybe. See, I think i'm just being too optimistic. But the reality of war is what it is. And it kept repeating itself from the beginning of time. It's mostly bound to continue.

it may end soon, with the creation of nuklear weapons in many terrorist states thats bound to be the end of us all