how merciful is god?
must you pray, hail, and bow to the stronger power to recieve the bountys of afterlife?
or is just believing enough?
is not believing and not hailing enough?
what is enough to reach the gate of heaven
or is it all a trick?

I say that it's all a trick, one so elaborate that even those in on the trick have fallen for it.

what about ppl in africa or something who never HEEARD of god? They cant belive what they never heard of.

Africans have religion and such, just not Christianity. The same logic applies.

Depends on:

1. Which God from which religion.
2. If Christianity, then which Denomination?
3. If not a Denomination, but instead something like catholic, you're talking strict rules.
4. If you're talking something liek Protistent, your talking "Accepting the love of Jesus into your heart" and that's the ticket.
5. If you're just talking Agnostic... well, that's knowing it's there, but not caring, so... why would tehy ask?

Too many answers really... XD

God will work in mysterious ways but if u wish to be close to him u have to believe in him no matter what happends thats the true spirit of christianity u make the miracles dont make someone else. Hope that answers ur question.

.. the possibilities:
If their is no god, it isnt a trick for no one would pull it unless it was rather an aid for mankind, the origonal philosophers or "geniuses" of long ago realized without a higher purpouse and wanting humanity and civilization will crumble and thus they made it that way, telling about a god or gods and the rules.

But if ur a science person and need facts, honestly the possibility of us being here without being created by a higher being is impossible, the odds are against it. The probablility of a planet being in the proper spot with the right sized sun, oribit, gases and minerals/elements to creat such. Is impossible. EVEN THEN, life could still not honestly be created, for you can have all the ingrediants but you need that one special thing to make it all happen, life or a soul, some form of special energy to hold such materials together to create the first living organisums of life.

Nature is all to complicated and perfect to have been so random as that small window of oppertunity.

Also, it has been PROVED every human is 99.9% exactly the same that .01% is what makes you you, and all the males can be traced back to one origonal male, or ADAM and all Females can be traced back to one origonal femal, or EVE, they can also be traced back to africa in a tribe that even still exists today.

When the humans migrated and spread across the world the dark skin was not needed, and people got paler due to where they went.

For me a God does exist, it seems to impossible for their not to be one, as for which way to go..that too is complicated, I think many religons all trace to god eventually, each religon is one race or culutres way of understanding it, we just try to disprove each other, and many times it never works. Possibly because alot are all indeed right, they still serve god under the rules he gave them, if their was only one religon, many people would go to hell. and I dout that will happen.


(sorry im so annoying)
But also, saying the people have never heard of christianity is next to impossible due to the imperial ages of Europe, africa was taken over, they are definatly aware of the religon, i think the denominations are just perferred ways of living, non is wrong for they all serve the same god just in their own way, thats really all that matters.

Roy, Roy, Roy, you use to word impossible too lightly. Me reaching through my computer screen and giving you a wet willie is impossible. Life forming on a planet is just highly improbable.

Highly improbable isn't that big a deal in this case, however. There are trillions of planets in the universe. Do you honestly think that it is impossible for any of them to have the right circumstances set for intelligent life to develop?

Nature isn't all balanced and delicate because it was designed that way, it just naturally compensating for balances until things balanced out. Overpopulation starves a species, causing the population to be thinned to a reasonable level. Being endangered starves the predators, reducing their numbers to a safer level to protect the species. It is the natural order, not divine design.

Empty claims of Adam and Eve made by you in a thread is not proof. Show me links to reliable research, or articles on said research.

As far the caucasian pgimentation, I'd go with the hypothesis that it is a side effect of interbreeding between our African ancestors and the neanderthals of Europe. After all, if the lack of neccesity outside of Africa were true, how come all the other ethnicities have darker skin than those so close to humanity's mother continent?

As for the existence of God, I ask you this: How do we know that the penholders got it right when they wrote down what happened? It could be argued as nothing more than a form of control.

Its in some book my history teacher said, like a monthly national geographic or somthing, if I see a link ill post it.

If it was all Chance and such, since the fact matter cannot be created nor destroyed wouldnt it mean that nothing should be here? Nature did do this to keep balance but the question is what started nature? a bunch of rocks and gases dont do anything but mix and cause solutions, if their was no bactieria to begin with scientifically their shouldnt be any after, we can only create life out of things that already exist. Even the Big bang theory cant explain where that tiny compact sphere of matter came from, all they say is it exploded and expanded into all of this, also you can say it wasnt designed that way but you dont really know for sure, it could very well be a divin design but we only see the literall and visible evidence, as we always do we want the phsyical evidence and proof,anything else to us we say is untrue.

do you mean lighter skined? if so it is because of the heat and conditions of the continent, as they spread and came to european continents it was colder and the need for darker skin was gone, another evolution, mutation or part of the divine design..or natural order

Also, that is true stories arent capable of staying exactly the same over a very long time, but thats were faith comes in and the preservation of your religon, Faith is vital for all religons for the god or gods want you to believe without all this phsyical evidence, its a choice for you to decide wether your creator is real or not.

If they were their for the events and truely believed in what they saw and what happend I doubt they would try and alter what their savior did, As for a form of control its not likely it would still be more of a way to keep humanity together, it is also very interesting how Gaberil (sp?) not only visited Jesus but also Muhamad, they both share similiarities and were both visited by the same angel, that should at least tell somone somthing is constant, somthing by the name of gabreil visits these people.

Also when Europeans came to conquer South america they believed in a virgin or somthing very similiar to mary before they were even invaded, thus it was somwhat easier for them to convert.

Their is no way to prove it all just based on things we can see, Faith and beliefe in these things are vital too. We have more evidence to prove Evolution than to prove Gravity, but we still believe in gravity more than people believe in evolution.

The thing about it all is everything can be argued, and no one usually ever wins unless they are the ones with the better military, as we have seen that in the past.

The question is not, is there a god or higher power. But what are they . All religions link back to each other, as do myths. (like the monkey theory if you've ever watched discovery channel)

The concept of god is too conplex for us humans to even possible begin to understand, let alone the plans or events that map this out. When you can answer me, "What sound does yellow make?" Then I'll feel up to proving whether or not there is a god. And what they are.

>> how would yellow make a sound? when its a refraction of light, even if it is energy their are different types, it being light energy makes it soundless doesnt it?.. I dont know XD *goes to bn*

I'm not gonna pretend to know everything, just say what i believe. I'm a christian, and i'm really proud of it. There have been so many experences for me with God in my life for me to deny Him. Things in everyday life for me seem to be just things from Him that bring me closer to Him. The experiences i've hahd are what gives me my faith, and people probably need those for themselves.

It's kinda like a sighing baby, or a calm breeze. Yellow has a calm, relaxed, cheerful look to it, and thus it would corelate to a sound that represents similiar feelings and concepts.

what i believe:
god has no meaning,only ot those who look up to him are just the ones who need help and answers in their lives
there are different religions based on different races.some are to so called spirits,while others of the undead.many countries dont believe in god,some do.and they also believe in the devil.let me tell you.does god or the devil do the most work in the world?

my belif, god is fake, doesnt exist, and if he does exist then I hate him for creating this world, id rather not exist, and thier is a theory that we were created from multipliying molicules and id rather belive that than some made up god that you pray too every night and he doesnt do **** for you, I dont pray and I never will and my life couldnt be better, yes I know I said I hate this world and such, but its not my life that I hate, its the world and most of the people in it (if you knew me better you would understand I dont feel like explaining it)

I believe that although religion is bull, the positive effects of being a part of a spiritually oriented community on one's health are real. It's been scientifically proven to have the same positive effect as not smoking. So, feel free to fight a higher power or whatever you do. If you value you're life, however, you'll find something else to believe in so you can be a part of something. I cannot exaggerate how much being alone kills.

This is crazy i was just looking at the news on the net and listening to the radio.And there is a report of an African Voo Doo lady trying to put a curse on god because there was a drought in the place where she lived.There was some other stuff that was going on also that she blamed on god,she said that god or who ever did this to land was cursed and was a truly cruel and fowl being.When the women went to sleep that night she never woke up because she died in her sleep.Doctors said she just died in her sleep and there was nothing more to the case.I'll try to find and post the link.

Edit:Typo's

I found the link for the women who died in her sleep.She was from Kenya any one can read this if they want i just found this report very interesting after hearing it on the radio.I'm not trying to imply anything just thought some one might find it interesting to read it.


Here it is -----> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11050266/

you want me to find something to belive in? who the hell are you? im sorry I know thats rude but Im not gonna belive in something I dont belive in, im much happier being a non religious person, actualy im better off, way better off! and im not alone, my friends are just like me except for like 1 or 2 of them and you call that alone? im never alone im surrounded by freinds that love and care about me, theirs nothing more I can ask for

My intent was not to be rude, just note that not believing in anything is proven to be detrimental to one's health. My apologies.

As for the psycho voodoo lady, I would have made her an argument for my case, but apparently she died of starvation.

I say, if it can't be proven then it doesn't exist. But There's alot of contraversy about that. Maybe there is a god, maybe there isn't, its not something we can find out. But even if they are proof of the existance of god, such as similar religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam, they all worship the same god, yet they wage wars. Well if there is so much suffering, HOW MERCIFUL IS GOD??

If he's as merciful as everyone claims, why does he not stop wars? Why does his religions wage wars amongst each other if its for the same single being?

Why do we have to believe in his existance when all he seems to do is watch our small lives and do nothing? Maybe God exists, but the people who interpret it is a load of bull. Morals and shyt, well I'm sure the MORALS allow you to wage war. Its common sense. Religion is so corrupt nowadays, your no longer listening to voice of God, but the radical thoughts of humans who THINK they can talk to god.

Also, there was proof of evolution and if God truly created the world out of nothingness in 7 days, why do we find Dinosaur bones from 65 Million years ago? If I recall correctly, Adam and Eve didn't start 65 million years ago!

I'll believe in god... once he proves to us that he believes in us and shows himself. Besides, I think humans killed God a long time ago... We play god, we kill god, we kill each other.

I have doubts that their were an adam and eve....

I was just playing this game where' you're "God" and you smite people with lightning and earthquakes. After a couple thousand (they spawned fast) I got bored with smiting and quit. Perhaps "God" isn't above such boredom?

Relax people like i said i was not trying to imply anything.Like i said in my second post i thought that some one might find it interesting to read nothing more.Religion has nothing to do with how you treat a person.If a person is cool they are cool simple enough to me.I'm peachy with the fact that someone are non religious i'v had a Girlfriend named Red that was non religious,religion has a very small meaning to me.I think everyone's the same once you get down to the basics.

Whoops i had to re read everything about 5 times to understand who was talking to who .


Nirako:Yeah it was kind of bizarro [sealab 2021] that she died the night she did the "curse".


I mean everybody goes through f**ked up s**t in their life.Sometimes i feel like i got the short side of the stick from all the messed up things that happened to me.The important thing is that you try to recover and move on in your life to me any way.

I want religion to be a small part of my life...if better not in my life at all but its all over the d*** place out to get me and cut my d*** head off

if things are done for us all the time we would never learn..its like spoiled children, yeah the people suffer but it teaches you too, and if its all true they get to be happy for all eternity.

The thing about religon is, its mostly based on Faith in christianity you have to believe, before you can see. Most people dont like that, or dont even bother giving it a chance..

the thing about the creation of the world, their is loopholes, He could have created it in 7 days, but he didnt have to make Adam and Eve the very next second, and a Day to God may be millions of years to us, they say when you die your relatives are still right their waiting, so apparantly time is much faster..

and if anything, we didnt kill him, just ran him off ..but their is to much here for me to think it all came out of nothing, how would anything exist if it wasnt put here? Matter Cannot be created nor destroid, so shouldnt their be nothing here? ever? it couldnt just be here since....since? even the big bang theory cant prove everything..cuz, what set that in motion? God may not be their visibly, but he could have given it all a push

if their is a god out their, why did he create this world? for his own sick amusment I mean seriously...their seems to be no point if you think about it...or are we some cheap scence experiment that hes just gonna detroy or forget later?

True Mustang it is based on faith but the same way people are intitled to thier own descions.That's why some people say that's why god created people to let them experience things in life and be able to make their own descions.It's like my father said to me if you beleive in him (god) you should be content with that,you know what you believe in and that's all you should really be concerned with.You see as far as i see things religion is supposed to be able to help to help/and or guide people in the right direction that's all there really is to it.If a person is already doing right or accept themself as they are that's all that should matter.You don't have to explain religion to some else because if they wanted to know/find out they would.That's what i think from a religious standpiont.

As far as what i believe in myself alone you don't have to have a religion.A person can go through life however they want to live.Why should religion be a big part of some one's life if that person is already happy and living life to the fullest.It's like if you make up your bed,go to work,go to school,do things around the house on your own without anybody having to tell you anything.Why should there be a rule or guidline about those things if you do them on your own.Theirs no point in it.Everybody no matter what age/race/religion/family background have the right to do what ever they want to in life.I know i don't care what religion or race any body is.I mean how much affect should it have on how nice or how they treat you.If you think strongly about anything you should follow it no matter what others say,it is your decision alone and nobody else's.But that's just me.


Xorital:you be what you want to be and don't let nobody change who you are.You are your own person have your own feelings and outlook on things.That's what makes everyone unique.You keep on doing whatever you want to do and keep doing right.You know in your mind what you are doing is right and that's all that should matter.

thanks ^.^, lots of people try to ocnvert me and I dont like it (which is why my hate for religon raised) though I have religous freinds (who get pissed at me sometimes) they dont try to convert me which is aweosme ^.^

No problem.Like i siad i don't believe in forcing things onto others.You are own person you can make whatever descion you want.It's funny because religion never bothered me even though i'm catholic since i was young.

I used to have no problem with religious people until they started getting violant towards me and not accepting me, I grew to hate some of them but I try my best to accept them anyway, I dont try to convert them because they can belive what they wish but they just have it planted in their head that if your not christian/catholic or whatever then your an evil sinner XD

Wow people started getting violant that's out of norm.So people started to treat you like an outcast and you started to hate religion and some religious people because the majority treated you like s**t.That's very understandable how you feel about some religious people now.Must of the hardcore religious people i know the most they try to do is give that person a little booklet,or a small bible and where a church is located.It's good that you try to get along with other people.If you don't mind the question where do you live?Because it sounds really odd how they treat people that are different.

yeah thats not normal, just keep in mind the people that are truely into christianity wouldnt force you, they would respect you. and heres somthing to make you feel better XD! truth is, even with christianity, we ourselvs are "evil sinners"..everyone sins, they cant point fingers, and they shouldn't :lol:

Xorital .....
i kinda feel like the same as you..so sorry if i say this to piss people off..but i rather say we arent supposed to exist...seriously,games make me doubt if we were ment to exist by our own greed...

yea we are simulare.....and I live in orlando florida

God is very merciful. No matter what you do he'll forgive you. Simple enough! God can forgive any sin.Why? I have no idea that's how loving he is.Yes, I do get tired of what i believe sometimes but in the end i appreciate it. I think in the end it's all about faith.

It's hard for me to get into conversations about God. Even though i'm christian I end up getting violent with a friend O.o .
(Short version:She tried to get me into what she believed and i tried to get her into what i believed and it ended up being a fist fight O.O so now we try and not talk about our religons)

thanks for proving my point.

Yeah, Ukara and I really do try and avoid religious debates. It is weird though. I am Christian like Ukara, however, we are different types of religion. She is strict Gospel, while I'm a loose Catholic. Amazing, we are both pretty much the same religion, but we are still at each other's throats for minor things.

Well, that just shows humans will fight over anything, but as long as you avoid that topic that really ticks you off, you can still be friends.

Yeah, and for some reason we are best friends. The only way to be friends with a person that believes in something different or doesn't believe at all is to just stay away from ALL religous topics because a fight or a very annoying discussion will break out. By the way not all religous people are violent. What made me and Dread mainly get into the fight was that we were both sortta mad that day so that's why it turned into a fight but if someone doesn't want to change that's their desicion not anybody else's.

everyones religion is the same just worshiped difforently