feel enlightenment without corruption, or be corrupted without enlightenment
two hands of random afterlife one of the great and one of the sorrow
choose the hand of faith, detication, and holyness to feel enlightenment
hand of sorrow, destuction, and pain to feel wrath forever
knowing with hand to choose is obvious, but none know if the hand of enlightenment is just corruption in disguise.
-the true alchemist

Interesting philosophy. Basically, you are saying that all religions claim to provide answers when only one can be correct, right?

What I feel I have to blurt out is:

How can any religion be true? Someone just makes it up and then tells it to the world. Atleast, that's what I think...

Again, i'd think of more to say, but I gotta go...again...

You are assuming that a religion must be based on something we cannot prove. What is a religion but a belief? Can't a belief be based on the facts before us and opinions formed around them?

yes but some receant religions (cults) inculding scientoligy is making a mockery out of false evidence, christianity has alot of historic evidence alot of evidence i should say, for instance one battle of the Assryians was recorded in the bible then people found a stone tablet explaining the battle people compared the 2 and they were almost identical the only difference between the 2 was the point of view see the tablet was from the assyrian kingdom which talks about the joy of having there men slaughter and kill other armies and talks about them running in fear while the other side is the bible talking about the Assyrians bloodlust rampage and the horror of it. My point is the most likely relegion that has the more chance of being true is infact Christianity. Try that on for size :P

Yea but christianity has its share of lies too, like jesus is black, he was a carpenter, he was a jew and he died as a jew as well, and mary wasnt a virgin thats as obvious as the sky is blue....I would list more...but I dont know the bible that well

Never challenge me to argue religion.

Do you know what that historic evidence says? It says that the jews were around while the Assyrians were, and they thought the Assyrians enjoyed violence too much. Saying that this little tidbit makes Christianity the "right" religon is borderline ridiculous, in the sense that it's on the ridiculous side of the border. It just shows a particular religion's view toward violence and proper behavior during wartime. The only reason we would agree with that viewpoint is that we were raised with it. Had we been raised by the Assyrians, we would have thought their view "has the more chance of being true" rather than Christianity.

christians back in the middle ages beheaded muslims (women and chilldren!!!!!) it didnt matter to them, it was awful

Well I guess Religion is a way for people to find hope... but then again I can never take any Religion seriously. Because how do you know for sure that if you follow THAT religion, will you achive salvation? Heaven? Nirvana? Enlightenment? How the hell do you know what will happen when your dead? They never said anything cuz they're dead!

How are they certain when it can't be proven? Its a touchy subject I know, but sometimes they are meant to cause conflict and corruption. When people think too hard on the afterlife, what about their lives now? Doesn't it mean anything at all?

Also, how can you believe in Christianity? Islam? or whatever religion when OVER and OVER again they do so much bad in history? The crusades, the Middle Ages, Hitler's purification, the Palestinian war, the Witch Trials in Europe and in Salem? What does it mean? How can you believe in a religion that is supposed to bring faith and hope, when it kills people and brings misery to others? Shouldn't we accept the differences of others?

Aren't we humans to make mistakes? If so, then what is salvation?
It means nothing.... cuz sooner or later, everyone will die one day. Its not for us humans to know...

well said my freiend well said

I think religion is beliefs of things ot explainable by science.. (but some religions are so silly tht it cannot possibly be true)

*coughallofthemcough*

x) Yeah! *High fives Xorital* besides >>;; It says in the bible that all humans will one day go to hell. And that we were born from sin. Even in Hinduism and Islam and Buddhism, we all are born impure, that's why in our life of living we have to redeem ourselves.

Well hello? If we're gonna go to hell anyway, what's the point? Might as well make the most of your life.

Religion is a hard topic.

Well, religion is not really fake, yet, not real at all. It's just a believe. There are so many different religions out there. People even fight about different religions[Which religion is right? Blah, blah, those stuff] But, all the religions are telling the same thing : Peace.

Don't fight and all those crap. So, why fight over something so pointless? Why can't others believe in the religion that they want to believe in? Why are people fighting over which religion is right?

Everyone has different opinions, why can't others just accpet that?

yea even if religon ios real were all going to hell lol

Also think about religion in history...

historical religion is just as bad as todays, though actualy they were worse but still people kill others because they hate their religion, I voice that Iam not christian and that I hate the religion openly anyone hates it, thats a d*** shame

Monch, you asked why humans can't accept the differences of others. It's basic survival instinct mixed with complex mental functions. If something is different, then we do not understand it. If we do not understand something, there is a potential it is a threat. If something can be a threat, it must be prevented from being a threat by either evasion or destruction of the potential threat. That is why human can't accept the differences of others; there is a little voice in the back of the human mind that says anything and everything different will kill you, and you need to kill it first.

Your other questions are answered with a similiar train of thought; this train of thought leads to the same kill or be killed conclusion. It cannot be helped, it can only be supressed by trying to understand others and learning that they aren't a threat. Unless they are, in which case instinct kicks in as it should. Unfortunately, learning means delving into the unknown, so humans try to avoid it. The solution is prevented by the nature of the problem.

my instinct device must be broken because I accept peoples difforences, people just dont accept me and the few that do are the best people ever :P

havent you guys listen to me Relegion is the shell of moral society if there is no belief there is no truth, if there is no truth then theres nothing but false beliefs and blasphemy over what is real or not, there is no truth thats why people believe in gods power over there own moral society, think about it what if gods were never believed in, every relegion is its own structure if tampered with there will be chaos, chaos such as beheading, slaying, and turtures that are happening now. Relegion is the base structure that holds our world together, deal with it.

Religion is so wrong, yet so right. I guess since its been the strings of today's society for so long, the world would probably fall into anarchy without it. One could only wonder what kind of world would be developed if certain events and customs didn't impact our history and society...

But then again, thats another something humans are not permitted to know.

religion should be obolished, if religion never existed alot of conflicts coulda been avoided

You're right. However, imagine what sort of conflicts there would be if religion didn't provide a unifying moral struc-

Well, at least you live longer.

and alot of death could of been avoided

no, I really have to dissagree.

If religon is abolished, or never was, nothing would hold anyone back from much of anything, civilization would be nothing, everything would be pointless, religon gives people hope and the reasons to keep going, reasons to work and do your best, without it nothing would have ever gotten accomplished, ever. Sencless wars thousands of times worse than todays would occur, why? because of power hungry people with NO morals and nothing to hold them back. why stop a genocide if their is no reason to accept for the fact it hurts people? would they care? no they wouldnt. No one would come to aid either. Their would be no honor, no great reward, especially in the after life.

Also, All of this wonderfull arcetecture would not exist. Religon is the start of culture and what makes each unique, China has beautiful cultures and archetexture because of the things they believed.

you can abolish, ban, burn, do what ever you want to religon, in the end its coming back one way or another, if it doesnt were all screwed. Even if you make a guide to living, it would eventually become a religon like Confusious and Taoism.

Also, To krazys..

The thing about the genocides, wars, middle ages it isnt IN the religon to believe in such, it is interprited or manipulated, loopholes are placed so that they can do this and feel ok about it, Europeans thought they were doing the world a favor, taking over people they called savages and teaching them the "right" religon, its all interpritation, and in all religons we are impure or flawed, true. We all sin, but you cant blame the philosophys and religons on the mistakes of a few powerfull people. Being flawed means we may look at things wrong, or do things wrong. you can look at a holy book a million different ways, the problem is the person who wrote it only saw it in their way, you can make it as clear as crystal but somone is going to see it a different way.

Also, has anyone ever thought every (or most) religons in turn leads to the same god? its really impossible to think God would expect everyone to join one specific religon. Every culture has their own way of practice, own names etc. etc. every religon has the basic same beliefes, just a different way of doing things, like their own way of showing respect, their rituals and holy things.

I live my life without religon and so do most of my freinds...why cant anyone else?

Because people are different. You can't expect everyone to be the same.

not everyone is the same, but people underestimate themselves, people have the willpower to live on but they just dont belive they have it and some turn to religion, some people are already religous because their parents forced it apon them or apon themselves, or they commit suicide or theirs people like me and my freinds who dont listen to the laws of god and just live life to the fullest.

Whoops. It was supposed to be "You can't expect everyone to be the same", not "can". Heh heh. I will go edit it.

I didnt notice that lol

Xor, you can't reasonably expect people to give up everything they believe in just because a very narrow minority believes religion does more harm than good. I'll agree that the religions currently dominating the world stage are problems, but that doesn't mean that some minor religion couldn't work or, dare I say it: start your own.

I dont want to do that....what makes my belifs any better?, im better off not beliving in anything

Religon is based on what most people want it to be like right now i can sit here and make my own "religon" up, and believe that's the only religon to get you to heaven. Anyone could, religon is just mere hopes of something that they want to be true but probly never will. I used to be religous then after a while i changed like i do go to church (my grandfathers) but i disagree with alot of things he believes in. So I can't be his religon if i disagree with it that's why I became spiritual. Yes, I believe in god etc.. but religon has things you can't do like in my grandfathers religon women can't wear pants or tank tops go to the movies etc.. right there is some of the things i disagree with.

If everyone was religous right now we would have a full out war between people in america. Yes, being an American gives us the free will to believe in anything we want. But, if we took religon out we'd be alot more peaceful.

I don't really agree with the entire take religion out thing, it's not very co-exisiting with believing in what you want to because that's your own right. Every religion/beliefe has it's up's and down sides but it's up to the individual to decifer and take what they want from it and procede to do what they themselves see fit. Let's take a small example shall we.


Take a look at early people such as the Vikings who used to rape and pillage groups/villages of people. They used fire to burn things down. You can't say that it's intentialy the fire's fault not can you, because it's like a tool used by the actual people to commit such acts. While fire was originally used for staying warm.


You see there's a good and bad to EVERYTHING in this world and to simple point the finger at one thing is kind of lop sided in my own opinion. Religion can help people and that is it's INTENDED purpose, not to have people falsly misconscrewed to shove their own believes down people's throats. You see it's the people behind these acts that makes things seem worser than what it indeed is. Which leads me to another point that i whole heartidly believe in. You never hear on t.v or the radio or anywhere is for that matter when someone does something right such as give to a charity, create college funds for less than fortunate kids, help katrina/tsunami victims, donate to cancer research. But you always hear something when someone does something bad or currupt because not enough light is ever sheded on the people who do right. And the world always try to spot out the things that bad instead of the right that is being done.

Starting off with my post I am going to say that I am Mormon (not a completly good one and I'm possibly going to get flames (or whatever they are called) cause of my religion) There is one thing I think is there is almost no way that one religion could have all the truths. (Before I go on with that sentance I will put something else) First off religion is a necessity... even though yes there is all this bad stuff happening because of religion but if you think about it, without it everyone would be worrying about what's going to happen to them when they die, religion gives people a belief that if they are good then they will have rewards (and that there is) an afterlife. Without it we would possibly be like animals, savagely fighting for the top and have the most money and power (basically alot of whats going on now but possibly ten times worse) Every single country would be at war, trying to do everything they possibly can to win before they die. With religion (even though it's been reversed around alot) People actually behave well and try to get into heaven or whatever they believe in. What I really don't understand is some people believe that when they go to heaven they won't remember anyone... they sounds bloody horrible... could you imagine just floating around for eternity not even acknowledging the ones you loved? Another thing I heard from this kid a few years back is he believed we picked every single thing we did in our life and thats what happened... if they was true there wouldn't be any poor people, there would be one religion, and people wouldn't kill each other cause the person being killed wouldn't want to be murdered. What I think is if there is a heaven (for all you people without religion or don't believe in it) is that we will remember people from our earth life and if you are good (well good in my opinion) you will be able to go to heaven, no matter what religion you have.

I hate religon, that is all I got to say. :angry:

There is no god, or allah, ar shiva, or anything. If there is they ignore everyone on earth and are enjoying them selves up in heaven, sitting next to buddha and the Colonel, eating fried chicken

That dosn't sound like you Chrono....... But try to be a bit more respectful to others peoples beliefes. There isn't nothing wrong with saying you dislike *insert religion(s) here* but try not to just out right bash the hell out of it. Just saying keep it a bit respectful before someone comes out of nowhere and flames you and then we will have a arguement on our hands.

and you know this...how?

Before you state things as fact you need to think and make sure it actually IS fact. If not, then put "I think" or w.e "my opinion is" etc.

As for the whole arguement, "if there is a god why does he not care? why does he just let us suffer blah blah blah"

I think that Its a choice, its all a choice. you want to steal a cookie, and you steal it. That was your choice. Its not God or Buddahs fault you stole that cookie, its your fault. Why? Because you wanted, or desired the cookie.

You want to take over one country, or destroy another and you have the power to do so, thats your choice. But in ever situation there are consequences, again not God or Buddahs fault you decided to push the big red button. And just because you do doesn't mean God is going to always intervene (sp?) and miraculously save millions, no. Because it was a choice that you took and now you have to suffer the consequences.

And even though its not all those peoples fault that you pushed the button, its part of the consequence they all die. No one said life was fair, and even God said following him wouldn't be easy. (at least I think he said it, Jesus or w.e) If God took control of our actions it wouldnt be free will now would it? we have the knowledge of good and evil and its our CHOICE, because he wanted us to have a CHOICE, if you want to do all of this thats fine, but your consequence will either be heaven or hell.

As for the suffering of innocence, yeah its horrible but then again if you believe in heaven, well they are going to heaven why complain? If its so much better anyway.

You can't say they are ignoring us, but they aren't taking us by the hand either. Every major religon though, has a book or code of conduct that you should follow, if not, well thats once again your choice. But in every sitaution theres consequences.


No one said it was going to be easy, and no one said the truth was easy to swallow. We don't know anything about the afterlife except the fact you die here. after that its all what you believe it to be, its your choice to believe in niravana or heaven, or nothing at all. But don't go around saying theres nothing and squash everyone elses opinions, or you wouldn't be that much better than anyone else now would you?

Thank you so much, xGhostx. Thanks. :)